CW
I really think that needs to go. I quite like the song, but it just isn't Star Trek - and it sounds very out of place when you've got normal Star Trek type orchestral backing music either side of the titles. I also think it's about time the visuals were replaced with something more conventional. From watching Regeneration, it does now seem like they are much more at home with this interstellar exploration lark, I think the titles should reflect that, rather than persuing with the 'travel through the ages' theme. Since they are putting the Star Trek name back on the titles, they might aswell have gone the whole hog and go for a complete re-think on them. A version of the instrumental end theme (which I don't even think is 'Faith of The Heart') would work a lot better on the titles, and as I said, go for showing the Enterprise in the 22nd century, we don't need to see the 16th century wooden ships or the 20th century space shuttles any more.
Finding this all intriguing, I dl'd this episode, and viewing it purely on it's own merits it is indeed really good, and much better than the Enterprise I started watching and very quickly gave up on. And to be fair, TNG, DS9 and Voyager all had very shakey first seasons too (The TNG premiere 'Encounter at Farpoint' was particularly weak I felt - and a lot of the characterisation was way off, with Picard just coming across as being a pompous annoying prat more than anything else) which only look better now with the retrospective knowledge of what followed them. I imagine Enterprise is the same, and having watched this episode I probably will now give it a go.
But, I'm still not entirely satisfied that this fits in properly with previous storylines. I know of course it can be argued that because Picard went back in time and changed history everything that we had seen up to that point might now turn out differently (although personally I believe that this was a pre-destination paradox - that Picard was destined to go back in time and help the first warp flight), and so the episodes like 'Q Who?' effectively ceased to exist, but if they are going to use that argument they could now do ANYTHING with Enterprise, with no consideration at all given to the canon of previous episodes. And the general policy taken by most Star Trek chronologists is that everything except for the books (and sometimes TAS) is considered canon, and I can't see this changing now - having two parallel timelines running through Star Trek will make it needlessly complex.
So, assuming that Enterprise and all other Star Trek series exist in the same timeline, the 24th century response to The Borg is now litted with holes. Fair enough, in Enterprise they never knew that they were a species with a collective hive mind called The Borg who fly around in cubical ships assimilating everything they come across (and indeed this is the first time ever that The Borg sent a hail without saying 'We are The Borg' - which is a little too convenient). But, they were able to identify that this was a species of cybernetic lifeforms with the ability to implant cybernetic devices into other humanoids and thus bring those people infected into the fold. Aswell as that, they have pictures and first hand accounts of what these creatures look like. You'd assume this has been comprehensively logged - indeed since this is supposed to be interstellar exploration in it's infancy, you'd expect those logs to be even more comprehensive than they might be in the 23rd and 24th centuries.
Thus, when Picard encountered The Borg in TNG, whilst it was initially thought to be first contact (and would be for the rest of the episode), you'd think when making his logs, Picard would check to see if anything like this has happened before, and realise that 200 years ago the NX-01 crew encountered a species of aliens which look the same and act the same as those he'd just encountered and realised that they'd come across The Borg before. They'd also then learn of their ability to assimilate people aswell as technology (whilst now the hallmark of The Borg, it was presented as an entirely new concept in 'The Best of Both Worlds', and they'd also learn that it's possible to reverse the assimilation process if the victim is caught early enough (indeed I have to say that in general I thought the Enterprise team did a much better job at fighting The Borg than the future crews would 200 years in the future).
The final line at the end that the invasion had been postponed 'to the 24th century' was very clearly trying to tie in with 'The Best of Both Worlds' storyline.
As I said, I realise they may try to argue that history had been changed so this episode was fine, but I don't want to see that being done, or it could end up undermining 30 years worth of Star Trek lore, and I don't think that's acceptable.
What we had here was a wish to incorporate Star Trek's most popular aliens (I think The Borg have well and truly stolen the mantle from the Klingons now) into the newest series - which as I said is an inherant problem of a prequel series (aswell as the fact that the NX-01 looks way more high-tech than Kirk's Enterprise ever did) following 4 'future' series and a movie franchise - so much of what happened there was presented as being new, and now they want to include it in Enterprise before it was discovered and thus at the expense of continuity. I agree maybe it was time to leave the 24th century after spending 3 series and 4 movies there, but I think they should have done a TNG and gone into the future, not into the past.
cwathen
Founding member
Quote:
Nope, "Faith of the Heart" is staying. Apparently, it has been slightly re-arranged though. Still sung by the same bloke, but with a faster tempo or something like that.
I really think that needs to go. I quite like the song, but it just isn't Star Trek - and it sounds very out of place when you've got normal Star Trek type orchestral backing music either side of the titles. I also think it's about time the visuals were replaced with something more conventional. From watching Regeneration, it does now seem like they are much more at home with this interstellar exploration lark, I think the titles should reflect that, rather than persuing with the 'travel through the ages' theme. Since they are putting the Star Trek name back on the titles, they might aswell have gone the whole hog and go for a complete re-think on them. A version of the instrumental end theme (which I don't even think is 'Faith of The Heart') would work a lot better on the titles, and as I said, go for showing the Enterprise in the 22nd century, we don't need to see the 16th century wooden ships or the 20th century space shuttles any more.
Quote:
It fits just fine, if you watch it. Trust me, it's a really good ep.
Finding this all intriguing, I dl'd this episode, and viewing it purely on it's own merits it is indeed really good, and much better than the Enterprise I started watching and very quickly gave up on. And to be fair, TNG, DS9 and Voyager all had very shakey first seasons too (The TNG premiere 'Encounter at Farpoint' was particularly weak I felt - and a lot of the characterisation was way off, with Picard just coming across as being a pompous annoying prat more than anything else) which only look better now with the retrospective knowledge of what followed them. I imagine Enterprise is the same, and having watched this episode I probably will now give it a go.
But, I'm still not entirely satisfied that this fits in properly with previous storylines. I know of course it can be argued that because Picard went back in time and changed history everything that we had seen up to that point might now turn out differently (although personally I believe that this was a pre-destination paradox - that Picard was destined to go back in time and help the first warp flight), and so the episodes like 'Q Who?' effectively ceased to exist, but if they are going to use that argument they could now do ANYTHING with Enterprise, with no consideration at all given to the canon of previous episodes. And the general policy taken by most Star Trek chronologists is that everything except for the books (and sometimes TAS) is considered canon, and I can't see this changing now - having two parallel timelines running through Star Trek will make it needlessly complex.
So, assuming that Enterprise and all other Star Trek series exist in the same timeline, the 24th century response to The Borg is now litted with holes. Fair enough, in Enterprise they never knew that they were a species with a collective hive mind called The Borg who fly around in cubical ships assimilating everything they come across (and indeed this is the first time ever that The Borg sent a hail without saying 'We are The Borg' - which is a little too convenient). But, they were able to identify that this was a species of cybernetic lifeforms with the ability to implant cybernetic devices into other humanoids and thus bring those people infected into the fold. Aswell as that, they have pictures and first hand accounts of what these creatures look like. You'd assume this has been comprehensively logged - indeed since this is supposed to be interstellar exploration in it's infancy, you'd expect those logs to be even more comprehensive than they might be in the 23rd and 24th centuries.
Thus, when Picard encountered The Borg in TNG, whilst it was initially thought to be first contact (and would be for the rest of the episode), you'd think when making his logs, Picard would check to see if anything like this has happened before, and realise that 200 years ago the NX-01 crew encountered a species of aliens which look the same and act the same as those he'd just encountered and realised that they'd come across The Borg before. They'd also then learn of their ability to assimilate people aswell as technology (whilst now the hallmark of The Borg, it was presented as an entirely new concept in 'The Best of Both Worlds', and they'd also learn that it's possible to reverse the assimilation process if the victim is caught early enough (indeed I have to say that in general I thought the Enterprise team did a much better job at fighting The Borg than the future crews would 200 years in the future).
The final line at the end that the invasion had been postponed 'to the 24th century' was very clearly trying to tie in with 'The Best of Both Worlds' storyline.
As I said, I realise they may try to argue that history had been changed so this episode was fine, but I don't want to see that being done, or it could end up undermining 30 years worth of Star Trek lore, and I don't think that's acceptable.
What we had here was a wish to incorporate Star Trek's most popular aliens (I think The Borg have well and truly stolen the mantle from the Klingons now) into the newest series - which as I said is an inherant problem of a prequel series (aswell as the fact that the NX-01 looks way more high-tech than Kirk's Enterprise ever did) following 4 'future' series and a movie franchise - so much of what happened there was presented as being new, and now they want to include it in Enterprise before it was discovered and thus at the expense of continuity. I agree maybe it was time to leave the 24th century after spending 3 series and 4 movies there, but I think they should have done a TNG and gone into the future, not into the past.