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RD
rdd Founding member
David posted:
I see that the BBC are still broadcasting subtitles on 888. Do we know if these are staying?


They are staying for the benefit of European Redistributors and viewers. Teletext is still commonly used for subtitles in Europe.


Never mind subtitles, Teletext is still commonly used for Teletext in parts of Europe ! and will continue to do so in the RoI after tonight..


Not much of it will be left - RTÉ is switching off teletext on DTT and cable at DSO tomorrow at 10:00am (It'll be kept on Sky though for the moment). TV3 killed most of its teletext service a few years ago although there are a few adverts and of course subtitles left. That'll leave TG4 the only proper old style teletext service left on DTT.

Unlike the BBC, RTÉ is keeping the Aertel brand for its MHEG-5 text service though - and I'd argue there was no real reason the BBC had to bin the Ceefax brand, other than to distinguish between the WST and MHEG-5 services while both were simultaneously running. A digital text service from RTÉ is also to very belatedly launch on cable tomorrow (despite the fact that digital cable has been available in Ireland since 2000).
WP
WillPS
BBCi probably has a lot to do with it - by the time Digital Text came about the BBC had already made clear their intention to tie it in with their online services.
OV
Orry Verducci
David posted:
Yes, it does. I wasn't reporting this as an issue for me, but an issue in general. If the BBC are still broadcasting subtitles on 888 (and carry on doing so after today) then they obviously deem them necessary. Perhaps for people who aren't watching via a Sky box or people watching on the redistribution systems that WillPS speaks of a few posts ago. If they are necessary, but not available to everyone then presumably the BBC will do something to make them available to everyone.

I believe subtitles being available on P888 is a feature of Sky boxes, not an intentional broadcast by the BBC. Not sure if the Sky+HD boxes do the same.
MA
Markymark

I believe subtitles being available on P888 is a feature of Sky boxes, not an intentional broadcast by the BBC. Not sure if the Sky+HD boxes do the same.


No, it is totally intentional. It's for the benefit of cable cos in Europe that source BBC services from D-Sat.

The DVB spec allows for it, nothing to do with Sky boxes per se
BE
benriggers
I wonder with Ceefax now gone (R.I.P. Sad ), will we ever hear any of the music assoicated with it again? e.g. Bart There is Youtube but on-screen it's rare to see a breakdown now.
BU
buster
I wonder with Ceefax now gone (R.I.P. Sad ), will we ever hear any of the music assoicated with it again? e.g. Bart There is Youtube but on-screen it's rare to see a breakdown now.


Aren't the breakdowns (on BBC1 at least) the ident music now?

Bart does have quite a notable position of being used in five consecutive decades as interval music (it was still just about around at the start of the 90s wasn't it?).
BE
benriggers
I wonder with Ceefax now gone (R.I.P. Sad ), will we ever hear any of the music assoicated with it again? e.g. Bart There is Youtube but on-screen it's rare to see a breakdown now.


Aren't the breakdowns (on BBC1 at least) the ident music now?

Bart does have quite a notable position of being used in five consecutive decades as interval music (it was still just about around at the start of the 90s wasn't it?).


I think BBC2 tends to use "Ceefax" music when they have a breakdown.
ET
ETP1 Forever
I wonder with Ceefax now gone (R.I.P. Sad ), will we ever hear any of the music assoicated with it again? e.g. Bart There is Youtube but on-screen it's rare to see a breakdown now.


Aren't the breakdowns (on BBC1 at least) the ident music now?

Bart does have quite a notable position of being used in five consecutive decades as interval music (it was still just about around at the start of the 90s wasn't it?).


I heard that BBC1 and 2 used it during Open University start ups, though not sure if they were using it in the 90's (although there isn't a lot of OU junctions around from that period, so for all I know they could have still being using it).
Last edited by ETP1 Forever on 30 November 2012 6:20pm
ET
ETP1 Forever
I wonder with Ceefax now gone (R.I.P. Sad ), will we ever hear any of the music assoicated with it again? e.g. Bart There is Youtube but on-screen it's rare to see a breakdown now.


Aren't the breakdowns (on BBC1 at least) the ident music now?

Bart does have quite a notable position of being used in five consecutive decades as interval music (it was still just about around at the start of the 90s wasn't it?).


I think BBC2 tends to use "Ceefax" music when they have a breakdown.


BBC1 also used ceefax music last year when they had a screwup when trying to broadcast a party political broadcast, although they always seem to play that one tune (which isn't very good might I add).
MA
Markymark

I believe subtitles being available on P888 is a feature of Sky boxes, not an intentional broadcast by the BBC. Not sure if the Sky+HD boxes do the same.


No, it is totally intentional. It's for the benefit of cable cos in Europe that source BBC services from D-Sat.

The DVB spec allows for it, nothing to do with Sky boxes per se


And in fact, I'm posting this from a hotel room in Belgium. BBC 1 and 2 are available on the hotel TV, (in 16:9 letterbox) and BBC 1 is (annoyingly) carrying burnt in 'Ceefax' P888 subtitles.
IS
Inspector Sands
I wonder with Ceefax now gone (R.I.P. Sad ), will we ever hear any of the music assoicated with it again?

Only if Cwilliams1976 comes back to YouTube! Shocked
SP
Steve in Pudsey
Did those analogue transmitters which were fed from DSat towards the end lose Ceefax at that point or was some workaround put in place?

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