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(April 2007)

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Reg Shaw
StuartPlymouth posted:
Reg Shaw posted:
StuartPlymouth posted:

I know when I worked for MOD every establishment had a confidential file marked as "War Plan" which gave precise instructions for that particular location. It had to checked and upated about twice a year IIRC and more often when the security status was raised. Later it was renamed simply "Contingency Plan" and included alot of extra information about what to do during strikes and periods of civil unrest, not just when half the population had been vapourised!

Have you heard of the Official Secrets Act?

Yes, of course! I didn't tell you what was in the file though, not that it was very interesting anyway! Laughing

Joe Public posted:
Well I don't think the MoD would be happy about people knowing how often they updated their contingency plans for one.

Under the Freedom of Information Act they would probably have to tell you how often anyway!


I doubt it - that would come under several exemptions.
ST
Stuart
623058 posted:
Did this actullu happen During 9/11???
or teh london bomings???

No, they were just treated as major news stories and the schedule was adjusted accordingly. Of course it's alot easier for the BBC now as they already have a rolling 24-hour news operation which simply simulcasts on BBC One. I'm sure ITV would struggle in the event of another 9/11 or 7/7.

I think the OP was asking about what would happen during a major national or international crisis which threatened normal day-to-day government and caused the breakdown of society. Were talking about nuclear war, aliens landing, rampant infection (as in "Shaun of the Dead" ) - that sort of thing.

Not a nice prospect, but they have to plan for it. After all, you don't want to be hiding in your loft/cellar/garden shed listening to the scheducled recording of "The Archers" when your neighbours are being vapourised by immigrant aliens.
(EDIT: By "immigrant aliens" I don't mean the Albanian Family living at number 34!) Laughing
SP
Spencer
Orry Verducci posted:
deejay posted:
Regardless of what systems the broadcasters and the government have in place, there is a feature for listeners built into the RDS system which classifies programming as "Alert" (as opposed to Music, Speech, News etc. It;s part of the PTY feature.). AFAIK it's never been used, unless it was activated for the recent Royal Deaths... anyone know?

I don't think it's ever been used. There's no point to it really, as it quite simply changes the programme type, it doesn't work in the same way as the Travel Announcement flag.

The RDS for all the BBC stations is controlled from London (which is why all BBC stations, local and national goto backup ID's when there is a problem with the system). This does mean EON data can be sent out to switch all EON enabled radios on a BBC station to one specific BBC station if required. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if all BBC stations can be switched to a single audio feed on demand. Commercial radio is more difficult, as there are no systems on the masts to override the signal as each station has it's own equipment.


I once saw the ALERT message on my car radio when flicking through the dial. It seemed a pirate station was using the function. IIRC, the display flashed the word 'ALERT' and the volume went up (in the same way as during a TA announcement).

Having worked in numerous radio studios over the years, both commercial and BBC, I've never seen any function to activate an Alert message on RDS. As you say Orry, it's possible the BBC may activate the system centrally across its network. As for ILR stations, I wonder if the operators of the transmitters such as Arqiva and Radica have control of the function, on the say-so of the government.

Or could it be that it's just one of those possible functions on RDS like the 'News' flag which is completely unused in this country? After all, not everyone listening to the radio is going to have RDS.
ST
Stuart
Reg Shaw posted:
I doubt it - that would come under several exemptions.

Well I've said it now, and no one has come round to carry me off to the Tower! (or had the post deleted) Shocked Laughing
RE
Reboot
p_c_u_k posted:
Some background info (including some reaction to the arcane way the BBC handle royal deaths) available here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/monarchy/story/0,2763,535766,00.html

Incidentally, in retrospect the part about someone getting the tone wrong for some inexplicable reason and being relegated to paperclip supplies, in hindsight, seems extremely perceptive, given the fate of Peter Sissons...

Did any of that happen, BTW, or did they fix it in time? I don't remember, I managed to avoid all coverage of the QM's death (partially as a result of reading that very article, partially blind luck).
ST
stevek
jrothwell97 posted:
.............., earth will be demolished by Vogons in two minutes, etc...

more on that story later Laughing
JR
jrothwell97
StuartPlymouth posted:
623058 posted:
Did this actullu happen During 9/11???
or teh london bomings???

No, they were just treated as major news stories and the schedule was adjusted accordingly. Of course it's alot easier for the BBC now as they already have a rolling 24-hour news operation which simply simulcasts on BBC One. I'm sure ITV would struggle in the event of another 9/11 or 7/7.


Correct: all that happened in those cases was that BBC1 came out of the schedule, and after a brief announcement over a "News Report" slide, crossed to N24. Radio news did it differently on 7/7 - I can only remember Radio 2, because when Ken Bruce was on, the news was starting to come in that it was a terrorist attack. Jeremy Vine started discussing it with him before his 12pm show started, which was of course when the PM made his speech. IIRC the first reports came in from around 9am of a power surge on the Underground, which the travel presenter read out normally - until there were reports of an explosion on a bus.

Before N24, BBC1 would come out of the schedule, have an announcement over a slide, before crossing to the newsroom. There would occasionally be a brief sting before the picture cut to the newsroom. In VERY exceptional circumstances (eg Diana's death), BBC1 crossed to BBC World overnight after closedown.
SU
superdudeman007
Ant posted:
This thread reminds me of that mock nuclear attack thread we had in the Mock Designs forum a few years back.

What a morbid thread that was. Is it still around?


Laughing RTE did a 2 part drama about 2 years ago called "Fallout" . It was about what could happen if there was an explosion at Sellafield and wind carried the material to Ireland.

The trailors were dropped after a few days because they began with the BBC N24 presenters announcing "fears of lastnight's Sellafield explosion resulting in Ireland's Chernobyl".

But with no trailors broadcast for a few days before the show, non-digital (and even some digital) viewers could be forgiven for mistaking the BBC News 24 footage and RTE News Specials (despite using actors as presenters and using a weird backdrop) for reality. CAs reminded us every 15 minutes that we were watching a drama that contained fictionalised newscasts.

If only that would happen on the BBC Cool Laughing
R2
r2ro
I'm sure I heard that the BBC have a hidden nuclear bunker somewhere to be used in the event of major incidents to broadcast the BBC ouput across both radio and television. Is this actually true?
SU
superdudeman007
Was it the BBC or the government that had that Y2K bunker?
SP
Steve in Pudsey
r2ro posted:
I'm sure I heard that the BBC have a hidden nuclear bunker somewhere to be used in the event of major incidents to broadcast the BBC ouput across both radio and television. Is this actually true?


TV's backup plan for TV Centre being unavailable was for Pebble Mill to take control of the network, as per that night when the six fell off air due to a power cut.

The bunker you refer to is probably Wood Norton, which was radio only as a backup centre - http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/features/sfs/file_16.htm

In addition many of the local authority bunkers had BBC studios in them, but exactly how they would have been used isn't quite clear.
TR
TROGGLES
I seem to remember ILR (circa 90's) had an obit alarm (obituary alarm) built into the console which would buzz and flash. When it went off you were supposed to switch to IRN to find out who had died or what emergency had taken place. The only time I remember it going off was when Margaret Thatcher resigned. I Don't know if that still exists as this was in the days when we had the Radio Authority and not the piddly poor excuse for a regulator we have now Rolling Eyes

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