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DOGs and Other On-Screen Clutter

(September 2007)

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Tumble Tower
dbl posted:
Tumble Tower posted:

As for Five Life and Five US, the sooner they drop their DOGs the better. After five and a half years of having a DOG on their original channel, Channel 5, they removed it when that was rebranded "five" in September 2002. So why did they put DOGs on their new channels Five Life and Five US last year?

They are new, and digital channels? I can't believe thats a problem, Five have been very considerate by making them very transparent.

I agree that the DOGs on Five US and Five Life have been made very transparent, but why bother having them at all? Just cos they're new, digital only channels, is no excuse for DOGs, no matter how transparent you make them.
DB
dbl
Tumble Tower posted:
dbl posted:
Tumble Tower posted:

As for Five Life and Five US, the sooner they drop their DOGs the better. After five and a half years of having a DOG on their original channel, Channel 5, they removed it when that was rebranded "five" in September 2002. So why did they put DOGs on their new channels Five Life and Five US last year?

They are new, and digital channels? I can't believe thats a problem, Five have been very considerate by making them very transparent.

I agree that the DOGs on Five US and Five Life have been made very transparent, but why bother having them at all? Just cos they're new, digital only channels, is no excuse for DOGs, no matter how transparent you make them.

I think the only reason why broadcasters have DOGs is to show 'they show this programme/it's ours' especially on YouTube not necessarily for removing clips but you can tell where it was recorded by the DOG.
JE
Jenny Founding member
peterrocket posted:
Am I right in saying that, from what you just posted, and that three people including me agreed with the concept of DOGs and Astons that you are calling me a plonker?

I'm not a troll, I work in broadcasting and have a perfectly valid viewpoint...


And there's the problem. Cretinous useless negligible tossers who think that black is white, wrong is right and that marketing is more important than anything else, are actually being employed in broadcasting. Television is a great creative medium and these worthless **** actually being hired and paid to actively, deliberately **** it up.
SE
Seb
Jenny posted:
peterrocket posted:
Am I right in saying that, from what you just posted, and that three people including me agreed with the concept of DOGs and Astons that you are calling me a plonker?

I'm not a troll, I work in broadcasting and have a perfectly valid viewpoint...


And there's the problem. Cretinous useless negligible t****rs who think that black is white, wrong is right and that marketing is more important than anything else, are actually being employed in broadcasting. Television is a great creative medium and these worthless ****heads actually being hired and paid to actively, deliberately **** it up.


calm yourself dear Rolling Eyes
ST
Stuart
alarsne53 posted:
calm yourself dear Rolling Eyes

Should be said with very bad acting skills (a la Michael Winner) and should be:

"Calm Down Dear" Shocked
SE
Seb
StuartPlymouth posted:
alarsne53 posted:
calm yourself dear Rolling Eyes

Should be said with very bad acting skills (a la Michael Winner) and should be:

"Calm Down Dear" Shocked


I prefer not to stoop to Roger Mellies 'unfunny' level.
PE
peterrocket Founding member
Jenny posted:
peterrocket posted:
Am I right in saying that, from what you just posted, and that three people including me agreed with the concept of DOGs and Astons that you are calling me a plonker?

I'm not a troll, I work in broadcasting and have a perfectly valid viewpoint...


And there's the problem. Cretinous useless negligible t****rs who think that black is white, wrong is right and that marketing is more important than anything else, are actually being employed in broadcasting. Television is a great creative medium and these worthless ****heads actually being hired and paid to actively, deliberately **** it up.


<sigh> and what do you do dear? So you think anyone who works in media on here has the power to flick a switch and decide what goes where and brand the a**e off things? Generally those that make that kind of decision aren't the kind of people you'd find lurking around here....
TV
tvarksouthwest
peterrocket posted:
I'm not a troll, I work in broadcasting and have a perfectly valid viewpoint, same as most likely everyone else in here until you started with the insults.

You were not one of the "plonkers" I referred to, and yes I did know you work in broadcasting.

Jugalug posted:
Anyway, he often says something along the lines of 'today's children will grow up used to DOGs, thinking they are cool'. If that is the case, what is the problem? If people think they are good, surely it's actually better to have one than not to? I imagine you would say 'the programme looks better with no graphic overlaid onto it', but if they are cool, then surely nobody minds?

I think what I've said is children growing up today will probably be accepting of DOGs as they don't know any different. Never have I suggested they might find them cool (it's possible of course), but I still fail to see how an overlaid graphic improves a programme and when these children get older they may reach the same conclusion themselves.
OV
Orry Verducci
StuartPlymouth posted:
I don't actually have a problem with DOGs, I can ignore them most of the time. I have even got used to ITV's coloured DOGs over the past couple of weeks, and it helps promote their identity by using the channel colours (it's small and unobtrusive really).

C4 are the best, as they place their E4/M4 DOGs for 16:9 viewers in the corner, and they are opaque. Five are awful - why not just fill the whole screen with it and be done!

We are on the verge of accepting channel DOGs as the "norm", what I hate now is IPPs and the ever encroaching ECPs. People hate slugs, so why put them on your TV?

I totally agree with you, I have absolutely no problem with DOGs except for when they are overly "loud" shall I say (in other words, big, coloured and solid). The ITV digital channel DOG's don't even bother me that much, although they would be nicer without the colour. The only DOG I've seen recently that has bugged me was the Summertime varient of Disney Channel's DOG. Obviously, I agree with any changes that make DOG's less obtrousive, but at the end of the day, I don't really care. Fact is, DOG's are a part of modern TV broadcasting, and despite what people say they do have their uses.

I don't have a problem with IPP's either, although some are annoying. For example, I don't mind ITV1's, or Channel 4's as it only appears briefly at the end of the show. However, BBC One's current ECP is somewhat annoying.

As for ECP's, I really don't understand the argument against them. I, along with the majority of peoples, couldn't care about the credits. I never pay attention to the credits, so the ECP is just making use of something most people ignore.
CL
clactonradio
I hate DOGS like these theres no need for all this crap.

Take a look at UK Gold and ITV 3

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Shame on them

Twisted Evil
FA
fanoftv
StuartPlymouth posted:
I don't actually have a problem with DOGs, I can ignore them most of the time. I have even got used to ITV's coloured DOGs over the past couple of weeks, and it helps promote their identity by using the channel colours (it's small and unobtrusive really).

C4 are the best, as they place their E4/M4 DOGs for 16:9 viewers in the corner, and they are opaque. Five are awful - why not just fill the whole screen with it and be done!

We are on the verge of accepting channel DOGs as the "norm", what I hate now is IPPs and the ever encroaching ECPs. People hate slugs, so why put them on your TV?


I agree with that, I don't mind dogs, but I do have a problem with IPPs and the like.
The dogs identify the channel, but do we really need to know for example that the reason that Chitty Chitty Bang Band is on ITV3 is that it's Roald Dahl weekend.
RM
Roger Mellie
alarsne53 posted:
StuartPlymouth posted:
alarsne53 posted:
calm yourself dear Rolling Eyes

Should be said with very bad acting skills (a la Michael Winner) and should be:

"Calm Down Dear" Shocked


I prefer not to stoop to Roger Mellies 'unfunny' level.


In light of such high-minded criticism; what sort of humour do you find funny (if any), self-appointed Constable Alarsne53 of the Humour Police (TVF Division)? Smile

PS: I think you'll find it was Michael Winner who was responsible for said catchphrase, not I. Wink

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