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amosc100
davidhorman posted:
If anyone's still wondering about the Torchwood reference in episode 7, listen to the policeman talking in the background while the Doctor is talking to faceless-Rose.

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BTW if Torchwood fails, will Dr Who become like it was during Pertwee's UNIT era - base itself on earth and become a member of Torchwood?


What makes you think they'd do that? If the spin-off fails, the last thing they should do is try and keep it alive by grafting it back into the parent series.

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UNIT did have their own one-off series which failed miserably


Did it?

David



err the fact that the post 9pm watershed version of UNIT failed and yet it stil mentioned (to this day) in Doctor Who. K9 & Co failed but, hey the mutt is still mentioned and now re-seen in Doctor Who.

Torchwood has been mentioned, and briefly seen, since Christmas. I do hope that Torchwood is a success, but if it isn't will they take the best bits and put it into Doctor Who sporadically - like they did with UNIT
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sjames
Since when did UNIT have it's own spin-off series. I know they did the Big Finish audio spin-offs but never a tv series? Hmmmmm. Confused
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bingo99
A spin-off of UNIT show would have been a great idea. Shame its only every existed in Amosc100's head.
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amosc100
bingo99 posted:
A spin-off of UNIT show would have been a great idea. Shame its only every existed in Amosc100's head.


It was done during the mid1970's - one series of 6 episodes on BBC1 aimed at an adult audience, hence reason why very few people remember it. IIRC if did not feature the usual UNIT regulars, but "followed" another group of UNIT members trying to solve supernatural experiences - a kind of very early British version of X-Files/Supernatural type series.
SJ
sjames
amosc100 posted:
bingo99 posted:
A spin-off of UNIT show would have been a great idea. Shame its only every existed in Amosc100's head.


It was done during the mid1970's - one series of 6 episodes on BBC1 aimed at an adult audience, hence reason why very few people remember it. IIRC if did not feature the usual UNIT regulars, but "followed" another group of UNIT members trying to solve supernatural experiences - a kind of very early British version of X-Files/Supernatural type series.


Very few as in no one because it didn't exist. Sounds as if it would have been good though. Wink
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Neil__
Dunedin posted:
I don't know, I reckon it will have a cult following but ultimately fail. It'll try to be proper sci-fi, but that Captain Jack character is just a little too gay to be of any use.


Aside from the fact that he's bisexual anyway, what possible bearing does the character's sexuality have on his ability to do the job / be a hero etc.
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Dunedin
Neil Green posted:
Dunedin posted:
I don't know, I reckon it will have a cult following but ultimately fail. It'll try to be proper sci-fi, but that Captain Jack character is just a little too gay to be of any use.


Aside from the fact that he's bisexual anyway, what possible bearing does the character's sexuality have on his ability to do the job / be a hero etc.


Sorry if my comments appear homophobic, but the basic requirements of an adult-pitched show will require Torchwood to drop all of the cheesy (camp) humour of Doctor Who, which is aimed at the family audience.

My biggest annoyance with Russell T Davies' new Who is the constant gay agenda that he seems intent on ramming down the throats (no pun intended honestly) of the viewing public. As part of this aim he cast the "bisexual" (as you correctly pointed out) character of Captain Jack (to a gay actor). The Captain Jack of Doctor Who was fine for a family audience, but the character is going to have to dramatically change and lose the "bisexual" tag for the new show to have any credibility. Frothy gay humour won't work at 9pm.

If you want further evidence of RTD's gay agenda, look at the cyberman episodes, featuring that Geordie "actor" who used to be on childrens TV. Rarely have I seen such poor "acting" in my life. I'm not saying that he got the job because he's an openly gay childrens' role-model (that would be potentially libelous and I would not make such a claim), but I would like to have seen the auditions for the part.
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ArcticWho
I watched my very first episode the other night and it was the first part of the one where Rose and the Doctor are in a parallel universe. But I really didn't see what all the fuss was about. I mean it wasn't that funny or scary...
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Neil__
Dunedin posted:
My biggest annoyance with Russell T Davies' new Who is the constant gay agenda that he seems intent on ramming down the throats (no pun intended honestly) of the viewing public.


You may want to consider for a moment how gay men and lesbians feel at constantly having images and assumptions of heterosexuality 'rammed down their throat' in just about every TV programme, film etc.

The 'gay' references have been very thinly spread and a welcome sign that family drama (and indeed Doctor Who which has always had an undertone of accepting the different) can include some fleeting references to a variety of sexuality without detracting from the story.

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As part of this aim he cast the "bisexual" (as you correctly pointed out) character of Captain Jack (to a gay actor). The Captain Jack of Doctor Who was fine for a family audience, but the character is going to have to dramatically change and lose the "bisexual" tag for the new show to have any credibility. Frothy gay humour won't work at 9pm.


Perhaps you could consider the fact that there's a lot more to people being gay or bisexual than just 'frothy humour'.

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If you want further evidence of RTD's gay agenda, look at the cyberman episodes, featuring that Geordie "actor" who used to be on childrens TV. Rarely have I seen such poor "acting" in my life. I'm not saying that he got the job because he's an openly gay childrens' role-model (that would be potentially libelous and I would not make such a claim), but I would like to have seen the auditions for the part.


This is your assumption. RTD does not work alone, but as part of a production team who make such decisions, and it will have been the team that decided the casting was appropriate. Personally, I didn't find his acting to be that bad, but then that's probably because I'ma frothy gay.
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Pootle5
Dunedin posted:
Neil Green posted:
Dunedin posted:
I don't know, I reckon it will have a cult following but ultimately fail. It'll try to be proper sci-fi, but that Captain Jack character is just a little too gay to be of any use.


Aside from the fact that he's bisexual anyway, what possible bearing does the character's sexuality have on his ability to do the job / be a hero etc.


Sorry if my comments appear homophobic, but the basic requirements of an adult-pitched show will require Torchwood to drop all of the cheesy (camp) humour of Doctor Who, which is aimed at the family audience.

My biggest annoyance with Russell T Davies' new Who is the constant gay agenda that he seems intent on ramming down the throats (no pun intended honestly) of the viewing public. As part of this aim he cast the "bisexual" (as you correctly pointed out) character of Captain Jack (to a gay actor). The Captain Jack of Doctor Who was fine for a family audience, but the character is going to have to dramatically change and lose the "bisexual" tag for the new show to have any credibility. Frothy gay humour won't work at 9pm.

If you want further evidence of RTD's gay agenda, look at the cyberman episodes, featuring that Geordie "actor" who used to be on childrens TV. Rarely have I seen such poor "acting" in my life. I'm not saying that he got the job because he's an openly gay childrens' role-model (that would be potentially libelous and I would not make such a claim), but I would like to have seen the auditions for the part.


Your comments aren't so much homophobic - just plain ignorant; however, I don't blame you for sterotyping gay and/or bisexual people as camp, frothy, uncapable of being "any use" as a hero etc etc as that's practically the only image of gay people that the media is prepared to portray - particularly the BBC. There are 1000s of un-camp gay men out here as well as camp ones - but then I know some straight guys who make Graham Norton look "straight acting"...

Just try not to use "gay" as a negative word - "just a little too gay to be of any use". Rolling Eyes How very dare you... Wink
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Dunedin
Neil Green posted:
The 'gay' references have been very thinly spread and a welcome sign that family drama (and indeed Doctor Who which has always had an undertone of accepting the different) can include some fleeting references to a variety of sexuality without detracting from the story.


The point of my post was that, in my opinion, these less than subtle references have detracted from the story. I don't believe that RTD is brainwashing the next generation into homosexuality, merely that it has a tendency to be an annoyance in an otherwise decent plot.

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Perhaps you could consider the fact that there's a lot more to people being gay or bisexual than just 'frothy humour'.


I totally agree, but much of the humour related to Who seems to fit this description. I've often thought this must be of great annoyance to the majority of gay people, whom I well know are not of the flamboyant type.

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This is your assumption. RTD does not work alone, but as part of a production team who make such decisions, and it will have been the team that decided the casting was appropriate. Personally, I didn't find his acting to be that bad, but then that's probably because I'ma frothy gay.


By all accounts, RTD runs a tight ship on the new Who. He controls casting and alters nearly every script (admittedly some of this is needed to keep an arc running through the series).

I'm afraid I can find no other explanation for your appreciation of that particular actor other than your "frothy gayness". Rolling Eyes
Please take this in the spirit it was intended.
DA
davidhorman
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Just try not to use "gay" as a negative word - "just a little too gay to be of any use".


Or "You're so gay!" from Rose when the Doctor complained about getting a smack from Jackie...

David

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