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DavidWhitfield
As regards the new series, I'll say this:

For all there have been some episodes that I've really enjoyed since the departure of Tennant/Russell T Davies (e.g. Mummy on the Orient Express, Smile, Flatline), for me, the whole thing has seemed like a completely different programme since Davies left. The stories are darker and themes of whole episodes and series intertwine meaning if you miss one little detail in an episode which aired weeks ago, you find yourself completely failing to understand what's happening in future episodes. It's seemed more like a hardcore-sci-fi-fans-only spin-off of Doctor Who to me, in all honesty.

The inclusion of a variety of complex supplementary characters which seemed to reappear whenever the mood took Moffat didn't help. I'm referring to the lizard woman and her Victorian girlfriend, Ashildr (I couldn't even tell you who or what she is or what happened to her despite having watched the episodes in full when they aired), Osgood (again, not a clue), the Sontaran which helped the Doctor for a while, and so on. I won't even get started on River Song as I found the entire saga utterly baffling and despite having watched every episode at least once since Tennant left, I couldn't tell you more than a couple of points about her endeavours subsequent to her appearance in Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead.

I also found that there seemed to be a lot of plot holes or unexplained aspects of the episodes during Moffat's tenure. To use a recent example, in the very last episode to air, The Doctor tells Bill, The Master, and Missy that they cannot simply escape using the TARDIS because it is at the very top of the ship, nearest the black hole and it would take 'a thousand years' to get to it. Yet, at the end, once they'd used things like guns and apples* to blow the Cybermen up (*yeah, I'll just gloss over that - this post is long enough as it is), they were triumphantly back in the TARDIS. I get that the Cybermen were no longer a threat to them getting back to the TARDIS, but what happened to the immense amount of time it would take to get to it? This seems to have just been completely forgotten about. Unless I've misunderstood, which, since I've barely understood anything that's happened since Moffat took over, is not an unlikelihood. Genuinely, if anyone can be bothered to try to explain that to me, I'd be delighted to try and understand it.

In summary, I am really hoping that Chibnall goes back to the 'Davies' way of writing the series, which is, in short, the Doctor and his/her companion go somewhere, finds something happening, sorts it out, and goes again, and there's no convoluted interwoven stories or obscure returning characters - they just go, have an experience, and leave again. I am pretty tired of needing a PHD in 'how Moffat thinks' in order to understand what's happening and I'm really hoping that we can see a simplification and a less dark approach to the series compared to the Smith/Capaldi era.

(P.S. I'm well aware that most people will disagree with my feelings about Moffat's time on the show, and I don't doubt that he can be an incredible writer, (take The Girl in the Fireplace, The Empty Child (and its second part The Doctor Dances) and Blink for example), but as a showrunner, for me, he tried to be far too clever and took the show in a direction which I hugely disliked.)
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davidhorman
They couldn't back to the TARDIS because, the slower time went for them as they got closer to the black hole, the more time the Cybermen would have to find a way to stop them. It would only take them minutes to make the trip, but the Cybermen would have years to (for example) hack the computers or what have you and stop the lifts. I'm pretty sure that does make sense.

They got back there in the end because of the magic puddle lady, obvs, though with the cybermen dealt a blow by that point they might have been able to use the lifts.

I think Moffat stayed in the job a little too long, and got a bit complacent and a bit too clever for his own good. RTD had a better sense of what an audience would think and feel, even if as an individual writer he might not have beaten Moffat (RTD never had to edit Moffat's scripts, he said). RTD as showrunner but Moffat as head writer could have been awesome.
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Whitnall
I am looking forward to the regeneration scene. I hope the show does not go further into the wacky side. It's getting far too digitised. I prefer it more analogue. It was up until Matt Smith era. If that makes sense.

Nope.


The newer series are too glossy.
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Joe
The newer series are too glossy.

I'm not sure that's a reasonable criticism of the programme, if I'm honest.
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A former member

(P.S. I'm well aware that most people will disagree with my feelings about Moffat's time on the show, and I don't doubt that he can be an incredible writer, (take The Girl in the Fireplace, The Empty Child (and its second part The Doctor Dances) and Blink for example), but as a showrunner, for me, he tried to be far too clever and took the show in a direction which I hugely disliked.)


He was good but, overall I didn't like him. I did like the 2016 Xmas special, it's was weird quirky and typical britishness all over it. A wee boy swallows rock and it gives him superpowers by mistake. I think there should have been more like that.
JC
JCB
I think people should be worried way more about Chris Chibnall than Jodie. Moffat had written some of the best episodes of the RTD era but Chibnall's past writing credits on Doctor Who are pretty lacklustre.
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Neil__
In summary, I am really hoping that Chibnall goes back to the 'Davies' way of writing the series, which is, in short, the Doctor and his/her companion go somewhere, finds something happening, sorts it out, and goes again, and there's no convoluted interwoven stories or obscure returning characters - they just go, have an experience, and leave again.


I would very much agree with what you say about the Moffat era, most of which I have struggled with.

But, there have been occasional bits of return visits and characters (the Master and major 'monsters' aside), such as RTD's series 1 where the Doctor returned to the space station from The Long Game at the end of series 1 and, of course, Captain Jack returning in series 3.

Going further back we had return visits to places like Peladon and Telos.

That said, I very much agree with the idea of Doctor turns up, solves a problem and leaves again... Smile
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Whitnall
Oh dear!

Quote:
Two former Doctors clash over Jodie Whittaker casting

Two ex-Time Lords have had a war of words over Jodie Whittaker being cast as TV's first female Doctor.
Peter Davison, who played the Doctor from 1981 to 1984, said he "liked the idea" of a male Doctor and that he felt "a bit sad" the character might no longer be "a role model for boys".
His comments were promptly dubbed "rubbish" by his successor Colin Baker.
"You don't have to be of a gender to be a role model," said the actor, who portrayed the Doctor from 1984 to 1986.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40679134

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A former member
No oh dear and it's not a war of words. Its just two people which have different opinions which I bet both respect....... Hint.
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steddenm
Quote:
Deborah Watling, Doctor Who companion, dies aged 69

Actress Deborah Watling, who played one of Patrick Troughton's companions in the early years of Doctor Who, has died at the age of 69.
Watling played Victoria Waterfield in 40 episodes between 1967 and 1968, most of which were wiped after transmission.
Her father was the actor Jack Watling, who appeared alongside her in two Doctor Who adventures.
Her brother Giles Watling, Conservative MP for Clacton, said she would be "sorely missed".
"She was a lovely, lovely girl, bubbly and vibrant," he said of his sibling.
Born in Loughton in Essex in 1948, Watling made her first TV appearance as a child in William Tell.


More here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40684318
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A former member
Does anyone think Chris Chibnall can pull it off an bring the standards back up? Alot of people, say I tend to agree with them the past few series have been in the bucket yet the past series has been abit better.

Maybe there should go back to the old 70's and 80s way and see if there can some other acclaimed writers who are true fan to pitch in some scripts?
JC
JCB
Does anyone think Chris Chibnall can pull it off an bring the standards back up? Alot of people, say I tend to agree with them the past few series have been in the bucket yet the past series has been abit better.

Maybe there should go back to the old 70's and 80s way and see if there can some other acclaimed writers who are true fan to pitch in some scripts?


Well, as I mentioned a few posts back his previous work on the show isn't that great...although his episodes are by no means the worst either. It's was rumoured a while back that he was trying to set up a US style writers room which I hope is true. That could really help freshen up the story telling I think.

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