Doctor Who: The New Series

No!

And I find it supremely ironic that so much time (no pun intended) has been wasted on all the Rose background story - when it could have been spent on proper adventure - and Billie Piper goes and leaves the programme early in series two.

I just hope the writers learn from this, and we don't have to go through it all again with the new companion/assistant.

BTW - what's with all the gay innuendo between the Doctor and Captain Jack? Is it necessary either? No, not really. But that's RTD for you!

Does anyone else think that "Captain Jack" may actually be....."THE MASTER". I had a notion that he might be as he is a time traveller...and I thought that these had been destroyed by the doctor as explained by the doctor in episode 2. Or...am I being silly?

That's always the way with gay innuendo, it's always in your face!

Sorry geeks, I've said this before and I'll say it again: take away the stuff with Rose, her mum & Mickey and they can forget about pulling in the ratings they've managed with this series. Without that it's just a spoddy sci-fi show and they don't pull in the masses. Why are people so short-sighted about this issue!!?!!

Get used to it.

I disagree. Dr Who is a sci fi show, not a soap. The reason why the show came back after 16 years was because those 'geeks' refused to let the show die and never stopped caling for its return. I very much doubt they are watching due to Rose's gobby mother or useless boyfriend.

Of course there has to be a human element in the stories but this should be implemented into the science fiction, not as some soapy subplot dragging the series down.

I disagree. Dr Who is a sci fi show, not a soap. The reason why the show came back after 16 years was because those 'geeks' refused to let the show die and never stopped caling for its return. I very much doubt they are watching due to Rose's gobby mother or useless boyfriend.

Of course there has to be a human element in the stories but this should be implemented into the science fiction, not as some soapy subplot dragging the series down.

I don't think I've ever read so much buttocks in one reply.

1. No, Dr Who isn't a Sci Fi show. It may have been in the past, but it's now a mainstream drama.

2. No, Dr Who wasn't brought back because of the fans campaigning. Although I agree that the die-hards (which, incidentally, I am one of) aren't watching for the storylines about Rose et al.

The BBC don't give a toss about the die-hards; as RTD once said in an interview, "it doesn't matter if the die-hards don't like it, because if they don't they'll only watch it 20 times instead of 30". The die-hards are NOT making up the bulk of the 7m (or whatever) that are watching it. Turn it back into a sci-fi only show and it will BOMB.

I'm sorry you are quite incorrect. It is well within the sci-fi genre and is not a mainstream drama.

For my money I there is too much about Rose's family and boyfriend, but it is a useful device for keeping the assistant character based in something resembling reality.

Unfortunately, when the boyfriend uttered the line to Rose, "We were nice . We were good . But you ran off with the Doctor". Well he'd have to be a bit retarded to assume *anyone* would settle for "nice" in the face of being able to travel through time and have adventures.

Possibly the worst line of the series.

Hmm I'll go as far as saying it's a mainstream drama based on a sci-fi theme but that's it!

It's like when people refer to Red Dwarf as a sci-fi show; again, it may be based on a sci-fi theme but it's a sit-com.

I did wince a bit at that line of Mickey's but I wonder if it was to try and emphasise the regularity of Rose's previous (normal) life - like in Episode 1 when she leaves and says to Mickey "Thanks", who says "for what?" and she replies "Exactly"!

1.Dr Who not a sci fi show? Next you'll tell me the office was a actual fly on the wall documentary.

2. Do you really think Dr Who would have been revived had its fanbase not held a torch for 15 years? Blakes 7 isnt coming back anytime soon, because there isnt an audience for it today. also, the BBC's attempts at sci fi since 1989, such as invasion earth, were half hearted and awful.

3. Unfortunately this is true. Davies knows he can take the diehards for granted because they will be so grateful for its return. It is also true that the show does need to attract casual viewers in order to be a mainstream success, however you do not have to dilute the show down to a teenage girl's domestic problems to do this.

4. Red Dwarf was a sci fi comedy. In fact there was a lot of strong sci fi behind the jokes thats been unappreciated. take the legion episode for example.

If you read my reply to Gavin you'll see I acknowledged that it was based on a sci-fi theme!



Well you make 2 different points here - did Dr Who come back because of the existing fanbase or because there's an audience for it? Because believe me the audience that clearly exists for Dr Who now is NOT made up of the fanbase of which you speak.

And in answer to your question, yes I really DO believe that Dr Who could have come back despite all the old fans. Dr Who was so successful then as it is now because it's a great concept - the idea of this guy going anywhere and anywhen (cringe) is such a fab idea!



Maybe, maybe not. But kids like watching Hollyoaks and that's full of teenage girl's domestic problems!



Yeah, again I take your point that there are sci-fi themes, but it is primarialy a sit-com and it is because of the superbly written scripts and funny storylines that Red Dwarf was a success.

Given the time travel element of the programme, there's no reason why the Doctor's and the Master's respective "personal timelines" (if you see what I mean) should follow the same line as each other (but the old series never realised that).

So, just because the Master died forever (Eric Roberts) at the end of the TV movie, doesn't mean we can't have a Master that's an incarnation, say, somewhere between the Roger Delgado incarnation and the mutated incarnation (Peter Pratt/Geoffrey Beevers).

So... Yes, indeed, we could have The Master back (although I personally don't think that's what Jack Harkness is).