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JC
JCB
dbl posted:
Good choice I think, he's done some great episodes.


All the best episodes actually. (IMO anyway) Russel T Wat's are usually the worst.

This series has been sh*t so far and with Rose and the Daleks return (again) on the horizon It's difficult to muster up any enthusiasm for a turnaround. Series 5 though is suddenly looking much much more promising however. Shame it's not till 2010.
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
JCB posted:
This series has been **** so far and with Rose and the Daleks return (again) on the horizon It's difficult to muster up any enthusiasm for a turnaround.


I know everyone's entitled to their own view but I personally can't see what led you to that conclusion.

What exactly is it you're expecting to see in a series of Doctor Who that's you're not finding in this series?
FL
flaziola
Excellent Choice, the series is in safe hands now.
CY
cylon6
We've had two episodes this year hitting over 9 million and not one did that is series 3. I think series 4 has been quite strong so far, hopefully The Moff won't let us done with his story. I wasn't a great fan of RTD's series 1 stories but his writing is much better now. However, apart from Parting Of The Ways, he always does something in his episodes that stops them from being totally great. Utopia was weak until the final 15 minutes when The Master was revealed, Last Of The Timelords with his Doctor/Dobby incarnation and the messiah moment, or The Master dancing to The Scissor Sisters.
JO
Joe
JCB posted:
dbl posted:
Good choice I think, he's done some great episodes.

All the best episodes actually. (IMO anyway) Russel T Wat's are usually the worst

Agreed! I'm very excited now.
JC
JCB
Gavin Scott posted:
JCB posted:
This series has been **** so far and with Rose and the Daleks return (again) on the horizon It's difficult to muster up any enthusiasm for a turnaround.


I know everyone's entitled to their own view but I personally can't see what let you to that conclusion.

What exactly is it you're expecting to see in a series of Doctor Who that's you're not finding in this series?


Something a bit darker - I know it's early evening TV but it could still go a bit further. Someone at the Guardian summed up my thoughts - "I think he's made the programme too childish, too camp and too gay."

It's also getting repetitive and sickeningly preachy too often.......and I hate Tate.
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
JCB posted:
Gavin Scott posted:
JCB posted:
This series has been **** so far and with Rose and the Daleks return (again) on the horizon It's difficult to muster up any enthusiasm for a turnaround.


I know everyone's entitled to their own view but I personally can't see what let you to that conclusion.

What exactly is it you're expecting to see in a series of Doctor Who that's you're not finding in this series?


Something a bit darker - I know it's early evening TV but it could still go a bit further. Someone at the Guardian summed up my thoughts - "I think he's made the programme too childish, too camp and too gay."

It's also getting repetitive and sickeningly preachy too often.......and I hate Tate.


I can see where you're coming from in one sense, but its important to remember it is (and really always has been) a show for kids. How dark a theme can they explore pre-watershed?

I think personally think they've got the balance right, and I'm very drawn into Tate's character. Even though the viewers know more than Donna does (in terms of alien species and timelord history) she lets me see it afresh with her excitement and naivety. I think Tate has nailed the role.

I wish some Doctor Who viewers would try to let go of what they've seen her do in the Katherine Tate Show - she played dozens of characters in that so its no wonder she sometimes delivers a line in a way she's done before.

As for being "too gay" - I don't think RTD needs to make any apologies for the few references we've seen. Does that journalist object to the male/female relationships that feature in the show?

No?

Thought not.
PE
Pete Founding member
JCB posted:
It's also getting repetitive and sickeningly preachy too often.......and I hate Tate.


why?
JO
Johnny83
Excellent news regarding Moffatt.

Have enjoyed this series so far, Tate has been excellent as a companion. However the show does need a bit of a shake up, it is in danger of becoming too samey. Plus sometimes it is a bit sickly with the whole Doctor been seen as a God.

I think Tennant will do the specials next year and Series 5 and then leave. Afterall he doesn't want to stay on too long incase he become typecast (Tom Baker)
RM
Roger Mellie
Gavin Scott posted:

I can see where you're coming from in one sense, but its important to remember it is (and really always has been) a show for kids. How dark a theme can they explore pre-watershed?


I suppose one could argue that that Torchwood is there to do darker and more 'adult' themes?
MI
Michael
"Being typecast" is one of my least favourite phrases. You only become typecast if you demonstrate a clear unwillingness or inability to vary your acting style or presentation. Chris Ecclestone left because he thought he would be "typecast" - if anything, after playing roles in Hillsborough, Jude, Second Coming and Cutting It, I think he has either demonstrated that he has managed to avoid typecasting so far, or there is only so much you can do with a troubled northerner.

Anthony Head is one person who I think has managed to avoid typecasting - playing a romantic lead (Nescafe ads), a fish-out-of-water librarian (Buffy), and now an old, hardened criminal in retirement (Invisibles). As such if he's not in line to be Doctor 11, I'd be disappointed.
CY
cylon6
Alexia posted:
"Being typecast" is one of my least favourite phrases. You only become typecast if you demonstrate a clear unwillingness or inability to vary your acting style or presentation. Chris Ecclestone left because he thought he would be "typecast" - if anything, after playing roles in Hillsborough, Jude, Second Coming and Cutting It, I think he has either demonstrated that he has managed to avoid typecasting so far, or there is only so much you can do with a troubled northerner.

Anthony Head is one person who I think has managed to avoid typecasting - playing a romantic lead (Nescafe ads), a fish-out-of-water librarian (Buffy), and now an old, hardened criminal in retirement (Invisibles). As such if he's not in line to be Doctor 11, I'd be disappointed.


Peter Davison avoided typecasting. People will always see him as Tristan from All Creatures Great & Small or The Doctor but he never had difficulty getting work. Even the great Ronnie Barker stopped making Porridge because he saw Harry H Corbett become typecast as Harold Steptoe, and he didn't want that happening to him. The irony was that Ronnie was so versatile he'd never be typecast.

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