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stevek posted:
Donna sounded like 'Nan' when she thought the Dr wanted to 'mate' with her Laughing

'Your not mating with me, sunshine!' Laughing Laughing
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Nick Harvey Founding member
Has anybody seen any overnights?

Just interested to know if Russell or the BBC schedulers won the little matter of how many viewers.
MD
Mr D'Arcy
I thought it was good opening episode. It was more about re-introducing Donna then anything else and it worked quite well.

Great to see Rose pop up too!
JC
JCB
TV Fetish posted:
I thought it was good opening episode. It was more about re-introducing Donna then anything else and it worked quite well.


I'd say it was more about £££ then anything.
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archiveTV
Nick Harvey posted:
Has anybody seen any overnights?

Just interested to know if Russell or the BBC schedulers won the little matter of how many viewers.


Ratings here

http://www.gallifreyone.com/news.php#newsitemEkpZuZEyykGancCTrc
JJ
Juicy Joe Founding member
8.4 million viewers! That is superb! Very Happy
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Stuart
Juicy Joe posted:
8.4 million viewers! That is superb! Very Happy

It is, but the 39.4% is the important figure. It was a heavily trailed season starter though, so we'll have to see how that holds up next week - but with the later starting time I would hope it was something similar.
RR
Ronnie Rowlands
Hmm, I didn't think it was THAT bad, but mediocre. Mainly because of the plot point of how this planet vanished. "Oh politics is none of MY business." Wtf is that? That was just plain laziness. I'm also wondering how these people didn't die as soon as these little creatures crawled out of them. Presumably they were moving quite freely inside their bodies and that should have disrupted their major organs, which would have caused a lot of pain, and not the "wtf" reaction that the fatties gave. Also, in a S2 episode, Mickey Smith can hear the engines of the TARDIS reverberating and echoing through the streets from quite far away iirc, so why couldn't Donna hear the TARDIS materializing a few yards behind her when she got out of the car?

Other than the plot point my only other gripes were minor things, for example, "this isn't the 1980s anymore, no one is unemployed except you!" RTD clearly does not watch the Jeremy Kyle Show. Secondly, Foster told her it took her while to find the fattest nation in the world, cheeky! I'd have thought America was a better bet. And another thing I found odd was the scene where the Doc causes a stunning screech with the 2 sonic devices, how was Donna able to instantly run off after he'd stopped while the guards and Foster were still doubled over?

I actually thought that the cast were brilliant, except for Foster. I think it is well established that camp villains don't work in new Who (See Max Capricorn, The Abzorbaloff), I mean, glasses and turning round on the rotating chair, how cliched is that?

Tate was better than I expected, they really toned her character down and I thought the scene where she was discussing her life with her Granddad was excellent. David Tennant was at his best here, and this is what he should be like when he is being funny, not shouty and over the top. I laughed a lot at his early line "Health and safety.... Film crew," but I thought Tate's miming through the window and the bobbing heads was a bit much.

I'd give it 5 out of 10 for the plot holes, but the 5 comes from the solid cast.

Next week's does look awesome. A really good era to travel to.
JJ
Juicy Joe Founding member
I wonder if they will revert to the Voyage of the Damned theme tune for the rest of the series? Confused: I hope so!
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besty
Ronnie Rowlands posted:
Hmm, I didn't think it was THAT bad, but mediocre. Mainly because of the plot point of how this planet vanished. "Oh politics is none of MY business." Wtf is that? That was just plain laziness. <SNIP>
Other than the plot point my only other gripes were minor things, for example, "this isn't the 1980s anymore, no one is unemployed except you!" RTD clearly does not watch the Jeremy Kyle Show..


Two points which I can reply to without going to essay type lengths (you really do think too much - not always a bad thing when it comes to Who though!)

1) Planets are getting destroyed in Sci-fi all the time. For what was essentially a small plot device that mattered little in the long run it was reasonably original and made me smile at least what with sort of real-world connotations. If she had said it was blown up in a war between a neighbouring planet people would have said it was incredibly cliche!

2) That is an incredibly pedantic point to start with, but if you think those were really RTD's views rather than an accurate portrayal of a highly strung frustrated mother of her grown up and unemployed daughter then maybe you are thinking too little instead of too much!
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SillyTilly
Juicy Joe posted:
I wonder if they will revert to the Voyage of the Damned theme tune for the rest of the series? Confused: I hope so!

Probably not. I think this is hear to stay
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Neil__
Ronnie, you're a right misery guts...

Ronnie Rowlands posted:
Hmm, I didn't think it was THAT bad, but mediocre. Mainly because of the plot point of how this planet vanished. "Oh politics is none of MY business." Wtf is that? That was just plain laziness.

I'd say that's highly representative of many people in this country (and the US, amongst others) who have little enough idea of what's going on politically etc in their own country, let alone knowing where Azerbijan (for instancE) is.

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Also, in a S2 episode, Mickey Smith can hear the engines of the TARDIS reverberating and echoing through the streets from quite far away iirc, so why couldn't Donna hear the TARDIS materializing a few yards behind her when she got out of the car?


Having just rewatched The Runaway Bride before Partners in Crime (and the two fit well) - I'm pretty sure the TARDIS didn't make it's usual dematerialisation sound when it left at the end of Bride. I agree that the volume of the sound does seem to vary depending on the needs of the story, though.


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Other than the plot point my only other gripes were minor things, for example, "this isn't the 1980s anymore, no one is unemployed except you!" RTD clearly does not watch the Jeremy Kyle Show.

This statement seemed completely true to Sylvia Noble's character. Clearly she doesn't waste time watching daytime TV...

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I actually thought that the cast were brilliant, except for Foster. I think it is well established that camp villains don't work in new Who (See Max Capricorn, The Abzorbaloff), I mean, glasses and turning round on the rotating chair, how cliched is that?

She wasn't camp. A little arch at most, otherwise very calm and Supernanny-ish.

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