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JO
I'd doubt it. The ending of Series 3, with the Titanic crashing through the Tardis walls has surely got to go straight into the 2007 Festive plot (?).
I'd expect the "5 meets 10" skit to be set at some unspecified point (e.g. during an "untelevised adventure" between two Season 3 adventures, with Martha's temporary absence explained in the dialogue. Or something).
Apparently it is supposed to be between the point he leaves Martha & when we hear the horn of the Titanic. Apparently if you watch back TLOTTL you can just make out a cut where it could go.
little white dot posted:
flaziola posted:
This 5 meet 10 episode for Children in Need, is this going to be a gap filler between the last episode of Season 3 and the Christmas special like the 2005 Children in Need episode was?
I'd doubt it. The ending of Series 3, with the Titanic crashing through the Tardis walls has surely got to go straight into the 2007 Festive plot (?).
I'd expect the "5 meets 10" skit to be set at some unspecified point (e.g. during an "untelevised adventure" between two Season 3 adventures, with Martha's temporary absence explained in the dialogue. Or something).
Apparently it is supposed to be between the point he leaves Martha & when we hear the horn of the Titanic. Apparently if you watch back TLOTTL you can just make out a cut where it could go.
LW
Agreed.
The rather "designed" look of the 1980s Doctors' costumes, with "arch/self-aware" touches such as the question marks, look very at-odds with the more naturalistic style of costumes for earlier and later Doctors.
Johnny83 posted:
Funny how odd the 5th Doctor's costume looks now, especially when standing next to the 10th Doctor
Agreed.
The rather "designed" look of the 1980s Doctors' costumes, with "arch/self-aware" touches such as the question marks, look very at-odds with the more naturalistic style of costumes for earlier and later Doctors.
ST
Agreed.
The rather "designed" look of the 1980s Doctors' costumes, with "arch/self-aware" touches such as the question marks, look very at-odds with the more naturalistic style of costumes for earlier and later Doctors.
I don't think any of the costumes up to the ninth & tenth Doctors could claim to be anything other than surreal. Considering alot of the 3rd Doctor's episodes took place on Earth, he's lucky he didn't get sectioned for wandering about dressed like a cross between Quentin Crisp and an 18th century french aristocrat.
There is a difference between an unbelievable and eccentric character who clothes himself from the cast offs in a skip outside a fancy dress shop, and just an intelligent eccentric personality.
Even children are clever enough to understand that you don't have to dress like a clown or any other kind of blithering idiot to be seen as eccentric.
little white dot posted:
Johnny83 posted:
Funny how odd the 5th Doctor's costume looks now, especially when standing next to the 10th Doctor
Agreed.
The rather "designed" look of the 1980s Doctors' costumes, with "arch/self-aware" touches such as the question marks, look very at-odds with the more naturalistic style of costumes for earlier and later Doctors.
I don't think any of the costumes up to the ninth & tenth Doctors could claim to be anything other than surreal. Considering alot of the 3rd Doctor's episodes took place on Earth, he's lucky he didn't get sectioned for wandering about dressed like a cross between Quentin Crisp and an 18th century french aristocrat.
There is a difference between an unbelievable and eccentric character who clothes himself from the cast offs in a skip outside a fancy dress shop, and just an intelligent eccentric personality.
Even children are clever enough to understand that you don't have to dress like a clown or any other kind of blithering idiot to be seen as eccentric.
JO
Agreed.
The rather "designed" look of the 1980s Doctors' costumes, with "arch/self-aware" touches such as the question marks, look very at-odds with the more naturalistic style of costumes for earlier and later Doctors.
I don't think any of the costumes up to the ninth & tenth Doctors could claim to be anything other than surreal. Considering alot of the 3rd Doctor's episodes took place on Earth, he's lucky he didn't get sectioned for wandering about dressed like a cross between Quentin Crisp and an 18th century french aristocrat.
There is a difference between an unbelievable and eccentric character who clothes himself from the cast offs in a skip outside a fancy dress shop, and just an intelligent eccentric personality.
Even children are clever enough to understand that you don't have to dress like a clown or any other kind of blithering idiot to be seen as eccentric.
Ecclestone was quoted as saying something along the lines of: The costume is not important, it's all to do with how you play the character.
Only Tom's costume worked from the "Question Marks" period, by the time they got to McCoy they were just taking the p*ss (Multi Question Mark jumper, and umbrella with a Question Mark for the handle)
Everyone hated them except JNT it seems
StuartPlymouth posted:
little white dot posted:
Johnny83 posted:
Funny how odd the 5th Doctor's costume looks now, especially when standing next to the 10th Doctor
Agreed.
The rather "designed" look of the 1980s Doctors' costumes, with "arch/self-aware" touches such as the question marks, look very at-odds with the more naturalistic style of costumes for earlier and later Doctors.
I don't think any of the costumes up to the ninth & tenth Doctors could claim to be anything other than surreal. Considering alot of the 3rd Doctor's episodes took place on Earth, he's lucky he didn't get sectioned for wandering about dressed like a cross between Quentin Crisp and an 18th century french aristocrat.
There is a difference between an unbelievable and eccentric character who clothes himself from the cast offs in a skip outside a fancy dress shop, and just an intelligent eccentric personality.
Even children are clever enough to understand that you don't have to dress like a clown or any other kind of blithering idiot to be seen as eccentric.
Ecclestone was quoted as saying something along the lines of: The costume is not important, it's all to do with how you play the character.
Only Tom's costume worked from the "Question Marks" period, by the time they got to McCoy they were just taking the p*ss (Multi Question Mark jumper, and umbrella with a Question Mark for the handle)
Everyone hated them except JNT it seems
LW
I agree that Tom's "JNT-ified" costume was the most subtle of the lot.
Being as it *had* to be recognisable a "variant of the existing costume" (albeit a more extreme revamp than previos 4th Dr costume tweaks) as opposed to a totally new costume like a new incarnation of the Dr would have, it was therefore a fair compromise between its predecessor, and the "designed look" that JNT really wanted.
Colin Baker was the most extreme though. McCoy's costume seemed positively bland compared to that!
Johnny83 posted:
Only Tom's costume worked from the "Question Marks" period, by the time they got to McCoy they were just taking the p*ss (Multi Question Mark jumper, and umbrella with a Question Mark for the handle)
Everyone hated them except JNT it seems
Everyone hated them except JNT it seems
I agree that Tom's "JNT-ified" costume was the most subtle of the lot.
Being as it *had* to be recognisable a "variant of the existing costume" (albeit a more extreme revamp than previos 4th Dr costume tweaks) as opposed to a totally new costume like a new incarnation of the Dr would have, it was therefore a fair compromise between its predecessor, and the "designed look" that JNT really wanted.
Colin Baker was the most extreme though. McCoy's costume seemed positively bland compared to that!
JO
I agree that Tom's "JNT-ified" costume was the most subtle of the lot.
Being as it *had* to be recognisable a "variant of the existing costume" (albeit a more extreme revamp than previos 4th Dr costume tweaks) as opposed to a totally new costume like a new incarnation of the Dr would have, it was therefore a fair compromise between its predecessor, and the "designed look" that JNT really wanted.
Colin Baker was the most extreme though. McCoy's costume seemed positively bland compared to that!
It was more subtle but just looked crap. Colin's was OTT but had something to it that was Doctor-ish, Sylvesters would have worked better with a plain jump and none of those sodding Question Marks
little white dot posted:
Johnny83 posted:
Only Tom's costume worked from the "Question Marks" period, by the time they got to McCoy they were just taking the p*ss (Multi Question Mark jumper, and umbrella with a Question Mark for the handle)
Everyone hated them except JNT it seems
Everyone hated them except JNT it seems
I agree that Tom's "JNT-ified" costume was the most subtle of the lot.
Being as it *had* to be recognisable a "variant of the existing costume" (albeit a more extreme revamp than previos 4th Dr costume tweaks) as opposed to a totally new costume like a new incarnation of the Dr would have, it was therefore a fair compromise between its predecessor, and the "designed look" that JNT really wanted.
Colin Baker was the most extreme though. McCoy's costume seemed positively bland compared to that!
It was more subtle but just looked crap. Colin's was OTT but had something to it that was Doctor-ish, Sylvesters would have worked better with a plain jump and none of those sodding Question Marks
CY
Agreed.
The rather "designed" look of the 1980s Doctors' costumes, with "arch/self-aware" touches such as the question marks, look very at-odds with the more naturalistic style of costumes for earlier and later Doctors.
I don't think any of the costumes up to the ninth & tenth Doctors could claim to be anything other than surreal. Considering alot of the 3rd Doctor's episodes took place on Earth, he's lucky he didn't get sectioned for wandering about dressed like a cross between Quentin Crisp and an 18th century french aristocrat.
There is a difference between an unbelievable and eccentric character who clothes himself from the cast offs in a skip outside a fancy dress shop, and just an intelligent eccentric personality.
Even children are clever enough to understand that you don't have to dress like a clown or any other kind of blithering idiot to be seen as eccentric.
It's funny because when you listen to commentaries from Tom and Peter they agree with you. They weren't fans of the question marks on the shirts and Peter thought his costume looked too much like a costume, rather than something he would naturally pick and thrown together like Tom's.
And I did like Tom's final costume but the multi-coloured scarf became a trademark for Doctor Who itself and it should have been kept.
StuartPlymouth posted:
little white dot posted:
Johnny83 posted:
Funny how odd the 5th Doctor's costume looks now, especially when standing next to the 10th Doctor
Agreed.
The rather "designed" look of the 1980s Doctors' costumes, with "arch/self-aware" touches such as the question marks, look very at-odds with the more naturalistic style of costumes for earlier and later Doctors.
I don't think any of the costumes up to the ninth & tenth Doctors could claim to be anything other than surreal. Considering alot of the 3rd Doctor's episodes took place on Earth, he's lucky he didn't get sectioned for wandering about dressed like a cross between Quentin Crisp and an 18th century french aristocrat.
There is a difference between an unbelievable and eccentric character who clothes himself from the cast offs in a skip outside a fancy dress shop, and just an intelligent eccentric personality.
Even children are clever enough to understand that you don't have to dress like a clown or any other kind of blithering idiot to be seen as eccentric.
And I did like Tom's final costume but the multi-coloured scarf became a trademark for Doctor Who itself and it should have been kept.
RR
I agree that Tom's "JNT-ified" costume was the most subtle of the lot.
Being as it *had* to be recognisable a "variant of the existing costume" (albeit a more extreme revamp than previos 4th Dr costume tweaks) as opposed to a totally new costume like a new incarnation of the Dr would have, it was therefore a fair compromise between its predecessor, and the "designed look" that JNT really wanted.
Colin Baker was the most extreme though. McCoy's costume seemed positively bland compared to that!
It was more subtle but just looked crap. Colin's was OTT but had something to it that was Doctor-ish, Sylvesters would have worked better with a plain jump and none of those sodding Question Marks
Sylvester McCoy's costume was different in his small appearance in the TV Movie, and looked much better. He lost the checkered trousers, wore a thick brown tweed coat and a red pullover. The hat, shirt and tie were retained.
http://www.shillpages.com/dw/story/d8/st--9z32.jpg
Johnny83 posted:
little white dot posted:
Johnny83 posted:
Only Tom's costume worked from the "Question Marks" period, by the time they got to McCoy they were just taking the p*ss (Multi Question Mark jumper, and umbrella with a Question Mark for the handle)
Everyone hated them except JNT it seems
Everyone hated them except JNT it seems
I agree that Tom's "JNT-ified" costume was the most subtle of the lot.
Being as it *had* to be recognisable a "variant of the existing costume" (albeit a more extreme revamp than previos 4th Dr costume tweaks) as opposed to a totally new costume like a new incarnation of the Dr would have, it was therefore a fair compromise between its predecessor, and the "designed look" that JNT really wanted.
Colin Baker was the most extreme though. McCoy's costume seemed positively bland compared to that!
It was more subtle but just looked crap. Colin's was OTT but had something to it that was Doctor-ish, Sylvesters would have worked better with a plain jump and none of those sodding Question Marks
Sylvester McCoy's costume was different in his small appearance in the TV Movie, and looked much better. He lost the checkered trousers, wore a thick brown tweed coat and a red pullover. The hat, shirt and tie were retained.
http://www.shillpages.com/dw/story/d8/st--9z32.jpg
CY
Sylvester McCoy's costume was different in his small appearance in the TV Movie, and looked much better. He lost the checkered trousers, wore a thick brown tweed coat and a red pullover. The hat, shirt and tie were retained.
http://www.shillpages.com/dw/story/d8/st--9z32.jpg
I'm sure I remember Sylvester saying that he preferred the costume from the TV movie. And I'm sure I read somewhere that he got paid more for doing a few minutes in the TV movie than he did for one series of Doctor Who!!
Ronnie Rowlands posted:
Sylvester McCoy's costume was different in his small appearance in the TV Movie, and looked much better. He lost the checkered trousers, wore a thick brown tweed coat and a red pullover. The hat, shirt and tie were retained.
http://www.shillpages.com/dw/story/d8/st--9z32.jpg
LW
That picture is just showing as a small icon with a red "X" in it, for me.
Surely Sylv's 1996 top was a waistcoat , not a pullover? And Sylv's 1987-89 trousers were surely plaid patterned (which is basically the same thing as tartan) - "Checkered" surely would mean just two contrasting colours of squares in a regular pattern like a chess board, which his trousers weren't!
Ronnie Rowlands posted:
Sylvester McCoy's costume was different in his small appearance in the TV Movie, and looked much better. He lost the
checkered
trousers, wore a thick brown tweed coat and a red
pullover
. The hat, shirt and tie were retained.
http://www.shillpages.com/dw/story/d8/st--9z32.jpg
http://www.shillpages.com/dw/story/d8/st--9z32.jpg
That picture is just showing as a small icon with a red "X" in it, for me.
Surely Sylv's 1996 top was a waistcoat , not a pullover? And Sylv's 1987-89 trousers were surely plaid patterned (which is basically the same thing as tartan) - "Checkered" surely would mean just two contrasting colours of squares in a regular pattern like a chess board, which his trousers weren't!