Why was Mickey free to roam Earth again, yet Rose was banished back to the alt. universe? Where was Pete Tyler? Not a mention of him.
Don't know about Pete, but clearly Jackie had to back to her husband and child in the parallel universe, and the Doctor wasn't going to let Rose be separated from her (like in 'Doomsday'), plus he needed her to take the doppelganger Doctor off his hands.
Mickey, on the other hand, knew he wasn't needed by Rose and there was nothing to keep him int he parallel universe. I can't remember if he was listed amongst the dead after the Battle of Canary Wharf.
Plus my suspicion is that Mickey and Martha will be joining Torchwood.[/quote]
Yeah, they had a similar one up before the show stating that it was closed due to special preparation for the finale, they seem to have disabled everyones avatars, not sure what else they've done. It does take several attempts to post on there at present
Sadly it seems that there are more negative than positive comments on there although the poll says otherwise.
I think the problem is some still keep trying to compare the days of Troughton/Pertwee/Baker to today's show, the thing is the show has moved on so much since the original run. I mean honestly do people really rather we were back to the days of McCoy?
I think some people that like it are happy to vote and leave it at that, but the ones that hate something will constantly keep on saying why they hate it. What we have here is a vocal minority. When I see people say it's the worst episode ever I wonder if they ever saw The Twin Dilemma!!
It's all about the hype, people drew their own conclusions they just feel cheated that we didn't get a regeneration. Well I was praying that Tennant wouldn't change so I'm very happy.
Yeah, they had a similar one up before the show stating that it was closed due to special preparation for the finale, they seem to have disabled everyones avatars, not sure what else they've done. It does take several attempts to post on there at present
Sadly it seems that there are more negative than positive comments on there although the poll says otherwise.
I think the problem is some still keep trying to compare the days of Troughton/Pertwee/Baker to today's show, the thing is the show has moved on so much since the original run. I mean honestly do people really rather we were back to the days of McCoy?
I think some people that like it are happy to vote and leave it at that, but the ones that hate something will constantly keep on saying why they hate it. What we have here is a vocal minority. When I see people say it's the worst episode ever I wonder if they ever saw The Twin Dilemma!!
It's all about the hype, people drew their own conclusions they just feel cheated that we didn't get a regeneration. Well I was praying that Tennant wouldn't change so I'm very happy.
I agree, I think it was a case, especially this time round, that people didn't get what they wanted. The Tennant haters are pissed off as are the RTD haters so they'll obviously be more vocal.
However where I don't agree with you on is The Twin Dilemma, I really liked that one, not a classic by any means, the twins are too wooden but Colin Baker is great in that one. And before you think that I like crap classic series stories, Talons Of Weng-Chiang is my favourite from the classic series & Leela my favourite companion.
Although Troughton always will be the best Doctor ever, of which if we had never had him we would have never had Tennant. Yes I know Hartnell is the original but if Troughton had flopped big time we would have never had Pertwee, Baker, Etc.
I agree, I think it was a case, especially this time round, that people didn't get what they wanted. The Tennant haters are p***ed off as are the RTD haters so they'll obviously be more vocal.
However where I don't agree with you on is The Twin Dilemma, I really liked that one, not a classic by any means, the twins are too wooden but Colin Baker is great in that one. And before you think that I like crap classic series stories, Talons Of Weng-Chiang is my favourite from the classic series & Leela my favourite companion.
Although Troughton always will be the best Doctor ever, of which if we had never had him we would have never had Tennant. Yes I know Hartnell is the original but if Troughton had flopped big time we would have never had Pertwee, Baker, Etc.
You'd be the best person to ask then. There's a feature in Doctor Who Magazine about how Doctor Who Target novels sometimes being better than the original story. So is The Twin Dilemma a bad story, a good story idea written badly or a good story produced badly?
I agree, I think it was a case, especially this time round, that people didn't get what they wanted. The Tennant haters are p***ed off as are the RTD haters so they'll obviously be more vocal.
However where I don't agree with you on is The Twin Dilemma, I really liked that one, not a classic by any means, the twins are too wooden but Colin Baker is great in that one. And before you think that I like crap classic series stories, Talons Of Weng-Chiang is my favourite from the classic series & Leela my favourite companion.
Although Troughton always will be the best Doctor ever, of which if we had never had him we would have never had Tennant. Yes I know Hartnell is the original but if Troughton had flopped big time we would have never had Pertwee, Baker, Etc.
Well I don't hate RTD or Tennant. I think RTD has been brilliant in bringing back the show, and 'Midnight' was a landmark episode of the season this time. Also, 'Turn Left' and 'The Stolen Planet' were all superb episodes for me, building tension and with lots of great plot and twists and cliffhangers. He seemed to really up the ante...
... then tonight's was shoddy and poor (for me). However, I know a lot of people thought tonight's was a masterpiece, and that is the beauty of DW - can provoke totally opposite opinions and thoughts and reactions. Only a bloody brilliant show can provoke such stark debate, and I think for that RTD should be commended - it's still one of the best shows on TV. I just think tonight's was a let down.
I agree, I think it was a case, especially this time round, that people didn't get what they wanted. The Tennant haters are p***ed off as are the RTD haters so they'll obviously be more vocal.
However where I don't agree with you on is The Twin Dilemma, I really liked that one, not a classic by any means, the twins are too wooden but Colin Baker is great in that one. And before you think that I like crap classic series stories, Talons Of Weng-Chiang is my favourite from the classic series & Leela my favourite companion.
Although Troughton always will be the best Doctor ever, of which if we had never had him we would have never had Tennant. Yes I know Hartnell is the original but if Troughton had flopped big time we would have never had Pertwee, Baker, Etc.
Well I don't hate RTD or Tennant. I think RTD has been brilliant in bringing back the show, and 'Midnight' was a landmark episode of the season this time. Also, 'Turn Left' and 'The Stolen Planet' were all superb episodes for me, building tension and with lots of great plot and twists and cliffhangers. He seemed to really up the ante...
... then tonight's was shoddy and poor (for me). However, I know a lot of people thought tonight's was a masterpiece, and that is the beauty of DW - can provoke totally opposite opinions and thoughts and reactions. Only a bloody brilliant show can provoke such stark debate, and I think for that RTD should be commended - it's still one of the best shows on TV. I just think tonight's was a let down.
Oops, forgot to mention that that wasn't aimed at you Pad. If you have a gander at the DW Forums, some of the hate on there would honestly be better directed at someone like Mugabe.
I appreciate some don't like the story, it all depends on how you view it, but there are still some over on OG Forums would rather we were back to the days of Pertwee. I personally don't, I'll be honest apart from McCoy I find Pertwee's era one of the most difficult to watch, repetative stories that drag on for far too long.
I agree, I think it was a case, especially this time round, that people didn't get what they wanted. The Tennant haters are p***ed off as are the RTD haters so they'll obviously be more vocal.
However where I don't agree with you on is The Twin Dilemma, I really liked that one, not a classic by any means, the twins are too wooden but Colin Baker is great in that one. And before you think that I like crap classic series stories, Talons Of Weng-Chiang is my favourite from the classic series & Leela my favourite companion.
Although Troughton always will be the best Doctor ever, of which if we had never had him we would have never had Tennant. Yes I know Hartnell is the original but if Troughton had flopped big time we would have never had Pertwee, Baker, Etc.
You'd be the best person to ask then. There's a feature in Doctor Who Magazine about how Doctor Who Target novels sometimes being better than the original story. So is The Twin Dilemma a bad story, a good story idea written badly or a good story produced badly?
Hee hee, don't read DWM & haven't read the Twin Dilemma Target novelisation TBH. I just think that story gets slated too harshly, it's far from perfect but far from been atrocious either. I've seen it three times now & enjoyed it each time, the wooden tops been the only let down for me.
Where Twin Dilemma suffers is that it follows on from the superb Caves Of Androzani. Had Twin been the season 22 premier then perhaps it wouldn't have been slated so.
I watched it in view of it been the first story of the 22nd Season & liked it and I can easily watch it again over most McCoy stories, Underworld (I don't mention how much I dislike this one enough do I ), Terminus (A spaceship full of zombies, it should work but fails terribly), Time & The Rani (no, no, no, no, NO) and The Sensorites (sensor me asleep, sorry for the crap pun).
Great episode. What others have said about the anticlimatic start ending it all in 20 seconds I'd agree with, but that just led through to the plot of the rest of the episode. As RTD said on confidential the plot was there, and he thought it would be an interesting idea to end a episode that's part way through a story with a regeneration cliffhanger.
The episode itself was brilliant, I didn't think that parts were too short, or too long, alot of things could have been drawn out far too much, but it kept the pace going which is always a good thing.
I loved the whole double doctor, and I was wondering where the episode would go when the 2nd Doctor and Donna messed everything up only to have the power from Davros kick start DoctorDonna. Very good writing.
As for the ending, I loved how he's tied up everything, part of me expects the Doctor to be alone with characters helping him in the specials rather than having an assistant leaving the way paved open for Steven Moffat to take over with a fresh look at everything.
I was also under the thinking that Martha and Mickey could join Torchwood. As for the 2nd Doctor staying with Rose, it means that in years to come once David has left and been gone for a few years, he could always pop back and play the 2nd Doctor, as he isn't changing.
The down side to the endings is how they took away everything from Donna. I'd have personally loved to have seen her carry on through to the specials, etc. But the lonely side of the Doctor is something that reiterates the fact that he is a solo traveller, and the last (supposedly) of his kind. The difference from the middle of the episode where he was surrounded by everyone to be alone at the end.
I agree that it would have been nice to see the Doctor take Wilfred up for a spin, even if it were to just float around for a few minutes.
Either way the emotions through the episode were high, and very well written it was too.
I just can't understand what people didn't like about it, though part of me is thinking that it could be something to do with the rumours of a new doctor, and everybody wanting a new Doctor, and being let down by that fact. In retrospect I'm glad that there wasn't a new Doctor as the 2nd Doctor element was such a clever way of tieing the story together.
If only there was a way to save Donna.
And for the fact that people keep looking back, I don't understand why, the programme is so much better than anything I've seen of the originals, granted the technology is the main benefactor, but the writing is great, the acting is terrific, the musical score, the direction, the sets, the staging and the make up/costumes are all far superior that help to make a much more polished and fantastic programme.
As for the production, congratulations and thank you to everybody involved in producing such a great series and an outstanding finale.
I'm sad for the fact that Phil Colinson is leaving the show, surely one of the reasons that this show is so fantastic.
I thought that tonights episode was superb. it made me beam with joy at the beautiful scene of the tardis towing the earth back and that joyous choral background music that accompanied that scene was, well, bloody terrific!
I am now going to, with a big white flag, hold my hands up to Hymagumba and Gavin and say, that for me, that episode was far better and much more enjoyable without the usual spoilers. So, I will, in future, while looking at trailers and probably clicking on spoiler boxes, never go looking for them again.
It also made me realise, and some people will ridicule me for this, just what a fantastic television channel BBC1 is. As soon as Doctor Who finished there was a text trailer for Merlin. The Last Choir Standing programme (apart from Nick Knowles) was enjoyable too. the Choir full of disabled people was humbling. I believe there is no other TV channel in the UK with such a varied range of programming!
I thought that tonights episode was superb. it made me beam with joy at the beautiful scene of the tardis towing the earth back and that joyous choral background music that accompanied that scene was, well, bloody terrific!
I am now going to, with a big white flag, hold my hands up to Hymagumba and Gavin and say, that for me, that episode was far better and much more enjoyable without the usual spoilers. So, I will, in future, while looking at trailers and probably clicking on spoiler boxes, never go looking for them again.
It also made me realise, and some people will ridicule me for this, just what a fantastic television channel BBC1 is. As soon as Doctor Who finished there was a text trailer for Merlin. The Last Choir Standing programme (apart from Nick Knowles) was enjoyable too. the Choir full of disabled people was humbling. I believe there is no other TV channel in the UK with such a varied range of programming!
Trailer for Merlin!?! Oh God I missed this!! Any screencaps?
I thought that tonights episode was superb. it made me beam with joy at the beautiful scene of the tardis towing the earth back and that joyous choral background music that accompanied that scene was, well, bloody terrific!
I am now going to, with a big white flag, hold my hands up to Hymagumba and Gavin and say, that for me, that episode was far better and much more enjoyable without the usual spoilers. So, I will, in future, while looking at trailers and probably clicking on spoiler boxes, never go looking for them again.
It also made me realise, and some people will ridicule me for this, just what a fantastic television channel BBC1 is. As soon as Doctor Who finished there was a text trailer for Merlin. The Last Choir Standing programme (apart from Nick Knowles) was enjoyable too. the Choir full of disabled people was humbling. I believe there is no other TV channel in the UK with such a varied range of programming!
Trailer for Merlin!?! Oh God I missed this!! Any screencaps?
By trailer, it was more a typographical teaser simply saying Merlin followed by coming soon before the BBC One logo in a similar style to the doctor who trailers.
Have people got any information on this Merlin? Is it to be on in the Autumn instead of Robin Hood?
), Terminus (A spaceship full of zombies, it should work but fails terribly), Time & The Rani (no, no, no, no, NO) and The Sensorites (sensor me asleep, sorry for the crap pun).