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fanoftv
Inflatable Dartboard posted:
flaziola posted:
But as I've asked before, if the Doctor does change into someone else, and then changes back into David's incarnation, does this mean that when David does finally leave we'll already know the identity of the new Doctor.


This thought has also occurred to me. Smile

Yes, if we do indeed get a temporary 11th Dr for part of next week's episode, will it mean that that actor is obliged to be the 11th Dr when the proper time comes...?

I actually think... "not necessarily".

I imagine that at exactly what time in the Dr's life his 10th regeneration occurs may well impact upon what his 11th incarnation looks/acts like. So, there's no reason why whatever the premature 11th Dr looks/acts like would necessarily be the same as when the Dr's 10th regeneration eventually happens "at the right time".

It would be be an extremely interesting "what if" to give us a temporary 11th incarnation that isn't the same as the "proper" 11th incarnation that we'll eventually end up with whenever DT eventually decides to move on.

I wonder whether the next episode will actually dare to do something that interesting, or just go for the cop-out of revoking the regeneration before it even finishes. The latter would be a bit of a disappointment and missed-opportunity, I feel.


But that is what we've come to expect from Doctor Who, isn't it? Every dramatic cliffhanger is always turned around at the first moment of the next episode.

I hope that they do something different, but I'm expecting something to happen to the doctor, either that or for Jack to do a Rose and kiss the Doctor to suck in the elements of time.
Though I thought of this as something to kick in Jack's ageing process which we've seen does eventually happen. Or will Rose intervene, after all didn't we hear tonight that she is going to die? Or will we see something where Rose, Jack or Martha travel back in time to the point before he was blasted?

Could it really be TV's largest kept secret that no one knew was coming? Could David Tennant have actually quit the role, thus having other work lined up for next year, and they've all covered their tracks wonderfully, including inventing rumour stories such as him being payed a lot of money to stay on?

Aren't next year's specials due to budgeting rather than David Tennant wanting to do other things, I expect that the lack of series was planned before he arranged to do other things.
JR
jrothwell97
Remember the Osterhagen Key that was given to Martha before she teleported. I suspect that will play a very important role.

Also remember that Prof. River Song in Silence in the Library / Forest of the Dead recognised the Tenth Doctor, so if he were to regenerate completely it would create a paradox. Queen Elizabeth I claimed the Doctor was her 'sworn enemy' in The Shakespeare Code , although the actions leading up to this may have occurred in a spinoff novel. Maybe.

The BBC also claims (bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2007/09/03/48471.shtml) that DT is contracted to appear in the next year's pseudo-series, although this may be a red herring - RTD likes lying about what he will and won't do (see the Master last year).

I suspect the Doctor will start the regeneration but not complete it, but the events in the next episode will scar him severely, either physically, mentally, or both.


It was a magnificent episode though.
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pad
Well that was a piece of awesome. Just so epic.

Can't begin to think what'll happen next week but if DT regenerates I will be in a state of confused and shocked admiration at them keeping the secret. Some truly magnificent acting tonight - CT in the scene where the Doctor/Rose reunited was superb, I love how she truly is just a companion and doesn't love him, and was genuinely happy for him.

Davros - what can I say, immense.

SFX - so so. Not as jaw dropping as the Pompeii eps as they seemed to be out of any league we'd seen but many scenes tonight were fantastic.

Cliffhanger - one of the best ever. TW team in peril, SJS in peril ... the regeneration... and no next time segment.

Anyway, it was one of those 'shaking like a leaf after' episodes, and I can't imagine what'll happen next week. All in all, fine, fine show.
JO
Johnny83
Well the Doctorwhoforum (OG Forums) is still near impossible to get onto, I can get to the front page but every time I click on a section it comes up with an error page.

Anyway regarding the ending this is what I've read on the OG Forums in their spoiler section, I have put these in spoiler tags because this may give away too much for some:

* The regenration is botched creating two 10th Doctors
* Of which one of the following happens: a) one version goes back to the parallel world with Rose & Jackie or b) one of the Doctor's sacrafices himself by throwing himself into the medusa cascade
* The second Tenth Doctor comes about from the hand in the glass container


It must be pointed out however that these are just rumours and could all just be b*ll*cks Laughing
ID
Inflatable Dartboard
Johnny83 posted:
Anyway regarding the ending this is what I've read on the OG Forums in their spoiler section:

The second Tenth Doctor comes about from the hand in the glass container


I can well believe this, considering that...

At one point in last night's episode, there was a camera shot that delibertately drew attention to the jar with the hand in it, on the Tardis floor near the Dr's feet, in a very overt way. Yes, it's presence has featured a few times in various episodes, but the shot I'm thinking of last night seemed very OTT. So, clearly, the hand is gonna be of some great importance.
JO
Johnny83
Inflatable Dartboard posted:
Johnny83 posted:
Anyway regarding the ending this is what I've read on the OG Forums in their spoiler section:

The second Tenth Doctor comes about from the hand in the glass container


I can well believe this, considering that...

At one point in last night's episode, there was a camera shot that delibertately drew attention to the jar with the hand in it, on the Tardis floor near the Dr's feet, in a very overt way. Yes, it's presence has featured a few times in various episodes, but the shot I'm thinking of last night seemed very OTT. So, clearly, the hand is gonna be of some great importance.


Well to add to the rumours:

*Supposedly if there is two Doctors then the original one may be the one that dies/goes off with Rose meanign that we coudl get a complete new life cysle for the Doctor. Gets them out of that "we've-only-got-three-more-characterisations-left" argument don't it?
ID
Inflatable Dartboard
Johnny83 posted:
Well to add to the rumours:

*Supposedly if there is two Doctors then the original one may be the one that dies/goes off with Rose meanign that we coudl get a complete new life cysle for the Doctor. Gets them out of that "we've-only-got-three-more-characterisations-left" argument don't it?


That's a very interesting thought... Smile

However, it's worth remembering:

In 1983's The Five Doctors the reward that the Time Lords were gonna give to the no-regenerations-left Master if he rescued the Doctor, was a new cycle of 12 regenerations. So, obviously there must be an operation or whatever that can be performed to grant this.

So, there is already that 15-year-old piece of continuity to fall back on, rather than having to invent a new means of getting out of the finite-number-of-incarnations issue. They could always have the 13th Dr getting access to those regeneration-granting means, whose existence was established in The Five Doctors .
JO
Johnny83
Inflatable Dartboard posted:
Johnny83 posted:
Well to add to the rumours:

*Supposedly if there is two Doctors then the original one may be the one that dies/goes off with Rose meanign that we coudl get a complete new life cysle for the Doctor. Gets them out of that "we've-only-got-three-more-characterisations-left" argument don't it?


That's a very interesting thought... Smile

However, it's worth remembering:

In 1983's The Five Doctors the reward that the Time Lords were gonna give to the no-regenerations-left Master if he rescued the Doctor, was a new cycle of 12 regenerations. So, obviously there must be an operation or whatever that can be performed to grant this.

So, there is already that 15-year-old piece of continuity to fall back on, rather than having to invent a new means of getting out of the finite-number-of-incarnations issue. They could always have the 13th Dr getting access to those regeneration-granting means, whose existence was established in The Five Doctors .


True, I can hardly see the BBC allowing the 13th incarnation to be the final if the series is still highly popular, as it stands I could see this run running as long as the old series IMO, as long as they don't screw it up.
CW
Charlie Wells Moderator
Just caught up with the episode via iPlayer. I think "To be continued" was the best way to end, compared to previous penultimate episodes where they've shown what happens in the final episode, which somewhat looses the suspension.
JO
Johnny83
Charlie Wells posted:
Just caught up with the episode via iPlayer. I think "To be continued" was the best way to end, compared to previous penultimate episodes where they've shown what happens in the final episode, which somewhat looses the suspension.


Oh I agree but I instantly though "Oh b*ll*cks" when I realised we weren't going to get a preview, I want Episode 13 NOOOOOOOOOOOOW Laughing
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flaziola
BBC 1 NI Didn't show the trailer. GAAAAAAAAH
JO
Johnny83
Oops I forgot that was on Shocked Laughing

The OG Forums are still playing up, alot of excitment generated round this episode me thinks Very Happy

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