LL
...anybody reckon that all of these theories; rising ball, split screen, TV reflection etc. are all done deliberately to divert us from a more complex theory?
CH
More likely to do with snowflakes having six points and there being six balls.
Channel 4 just showed a trailer for tomorrow's show with Derren Brown in front of the winning numbers, holding up a snowflake.
Snowflake = Frozen, as in a metaphor for the frozen image? Starting to believe it now...
Snowflake = Frozen, as in a metaphor for the frozen image? Starting to believe it now...
More likely to do with snowflakes having six points and there being six balls.
NG
Yep - but that complex theory will be the diversion and maybe they won't explain the TV trickery they really used.
Derren Brown is a showman. He can do some great stuff live with suggestion (as do others). However he has also used TV "tricks" in the past to assist with some of his stuff.
noggin
Founding member
...anybody reckon that all of these theories; rising ball, split screen, TV reflection etc. are all done deliberately to divert us from a more complex theory?
Yep - but that complex theory will be the diversion and maybe they won't explain the TV trickery they really used.
Derren Brown is a showman. He can do some great stuff live with suggestion (as do others). However he has also used TV "tricks" in the past to assist with some of his stuff.
JU
Yep - but that complex theory will be the diversion and maybe they won't explain the TV trickery they really used.
Derren Brown is a showman. He can do some great stuff live with suggestion (as do others). However he has also used TV "tricks" in the past to assist with some of his stuff.
I don't believe this will be revealed as 'camera trickery' that would be so lame, the whole point of Derren Browns illsuions are they are just that, it will be that he didn't predict the numbers but through distraction made us believe he did. The whole thing is a misdirection, not the lottry part.
...anybody reckon that all of these theories; rising ball, split screen, TV reflection etc. are all done deliberately to divert us from a more complex theory?
Yep - but that complex theory will be the diversion and maybe they won't explain the TV trickery they really used.
Derren Brown is a showman. He can do some great stuff live with suggestion (as do others). However he has also used TV "tricks" in the past to assist with some of his stuff.
I don't believe this will be revealed as 'camera trickery' that would be so lame, the whole point of Derren Browns illsuions are they are just that, it will be that he didn't predict the numbers but through distraction made us believe he did. The whole thing is a misdirection, not the lottry part.
NG
I don't believe this will be revealed as 'camera trickery' that would be so lame, the whole point of Derren Browns illsuions are they are just that, it will be that he didn't predict the numbers but through distraction made us believe he did. The whole thing is a misdirection, not the lottry part.
Yep - except that many of us watched both shows live and recorded both shows for later comparison. He didn't convince me that he'd predicted the lotter numbers, he convinced me that he had found a way of quickly getting the right balls on-set in a short period of time. The lame excuse to justify not showing the balls first was the deal breaker.
If he'd shown me his full prediction at any point prior to the last one being drawn I'd have been impressed. If the camera had moved as a handheld would normally I'd have been impressed.
I think what Derren does is very clever - he can do amazing things with misdirection and suggestion. Even cleverer is when he does things using other methods and convinces people he did them differently...
noggin
Founding member
I don't believe this will be revealed as 'camera trickery' that would be so lame, the whole point of Derren Browns illsuions are they are just that, it will be that he didn't predict the numbers but through distraction made us believe he did. The whole thing is a misdirection, not the lottry part.
Yep - except that many of us watched both shows live and recorded both shows for later comparison. He didn't convince me that he'd predicted the lotter numbers, he convinced me that he had found a way of quickly getting the right balls on-set in a short period of time. The lame excuse to justify not showing the balls first was the deal breaker.
If he'd shown me his full prediction at any point prior to the last one being drawn I'd have been impressed. If the camera had moved as a handheld would normally I'd have been impressed.
I think what Derren does is very clever - he can do amazing things with misdirection and suggestion. Even cleverer is when he does things using other methods and convinces people he did them differently...
JU
I don't believe this will be revealed as 'camera trickery' that would be so lame, the whole point of Derren Browns illsuions are they are just that, it will be that he didn't predict the numbers but through distraction made us believe he did. The whole thing is a misdirection, not the lottry part.
Yep - except that many of us watched both shows live and recorded both shows for later comparison. He didn't convince me that he'd predicted the lotter numbers, he convinced me that he had found a way of quickly getting the right balls on-set in a short period of time. The lame excuse to justify not showing the balls first was the deal breaker.
If he'd shown me his full prediction at any point prior to the last one being drawn I'd have been impressed. If the camera had moved as a handheld would normally I'd have been impressed.
I think what Derren does is very clever - he can do amazing things with misdirection and suggestion. Even cleverer is when he does things using other methods and convinces people he did them differently...
Agree with you there about the fact we didn't see his prediction until the balls had been drawn, that is the misdirection in fall swing.
I don't believe this will be revealed as 'camera trickery' that would be so lame, the whole point of Derren Browns illsuions are they are just that, it will be that he didn't predict the numbers but through distraction made us believe he did. The whole thing is a misdirection, not the lottry part.
Yep - except that many of us watched both shows live and recorded both shows for later comparison. He didn't convince me that he'd predicted the lotter numbers, he convinced me that he had found a way of quickly getting the right balls on-set in a short period of time. The lame excuse to justify not showing the balls first was the deal breaker.
If he'd shown me his full prediction at any point prior to the last one being drawn I'd have been impressed. If the camera had moved as a handheld would normally I'd have been impressed.
I think what Derren does is very clever - he can do amazing things with misdirection and suggestion. Even cleverer is when he does things using other methods and convinces people he did them differently...
Agree with you there about the fact we didn't see his prediction until the balls had been drawn, that is the misdirection in fall swing.
GS
That isn't misdirection.
Pages back - before the event took place - I said its just a trick, and having seen it now on Youtube and the like, its patently just a trick.
No psychology, no misdirection. Just a camera trick.
How on earth could it be anything other than that?
I've been astonished to read some of the comments like, "he must have come up with every possible combination of outcomes" etc. Good grief.
There's no way he's going to admit to a split screen wipe and a DVE (even through its clear that's what it is) - so the real misdirection will be in his explanation.
I bet you a lollipop he comes up with some other explanation which will leave you thinking he's actually managed to predict a lottery result.
Gavin Scott
Founding member
Agree with you there about the fact we didn't see his prediction until the balls had been drawn, that is the misdirection in fall swing.
That isn't misdirection.
Pages back - before the event took place - I said its just a trick, and having seen it now on Youtube and the like, its patently just a trick.
No psychology, no misdirection. Just a camera trick.
How on earth could it be anything other than that?
I've been astonished to read some of the comments like, "he must have come up with every possible combination of outcomes" etc. Good grief.
There's no way he's going to admit to a split screen wipe and a DVE (even through its clear that's what it is) - so the real misdirection will be in his explanation.
I bet you a lollipop he comes up with some other explanation which will leave you thinking he's actually managed to predict a lottery result.
NI
That's exactly what I'm thinking. Any "misdirection" will come with him trying to fool the audience into thinking it wasn't a camera split (my own opinion, of course...)
[...] I bet you a lollipop he comes up with some other explanation which will leave you thinking he's actually managed to predict a lottery result.
That's exactly what I'm thinking. Any "misdirection" will come with him trying to fool the audience into thinking it wasn't a camera split (my own opinion, of course...)
GS
Would you care to explain your definition of the word "misdirection"?
Gavin Scott
Founding member
It's amazing how he can use misdirection to fool us. Anyone see him on stage on his live tour dressed as a gorilla? Classic misdirection!
Would you care to explain your definition of the word "misdirection"?
JU
Would you care to explain your definition of the word "misdirection"?
Why should they if you have ever seen him live you would understand. He doesn't do 'tricks'
It's amazing how he can use misdirection to fool us. Anyone see him on stage on his live tour dressed as a gorilla? Classic misdirection!
Would you care to explain your definition of the word "misdirection"?
Why should they if you have ever seen him live you would understand. He doesn't do 'tricks'