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Derren Brown: The Events

(September 2009)

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noggin Founding member
Ahhh, I'd forgotten about analogue (as sad as that sounds), that would make sense.


Yep - analogue is still VERY useful for off-air confidence... (Most galleries monitor off-air on analogue - as digital with the umpteen seconds of MPEG2 coding/decoding delay is enough to drive you bonkers...)

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I assume they they chose that as a source so to avoid any extra delay, unless they were lucky enough to be able to get across the line from 'Lottery HQ'


Yep - I'd be VERY surprised if they even considered attempting to get across the incoming line and routing it to their studio. That would ride a coach and horses through the legal "fair dealing" that they probably used to show the result at all. For that you have to use off-air I think...

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Still, I'm surprised how exactly it was on that video, especially considering the route that the BBC1 via More 4 image would have taken including 2trips through Red Bee


Assuming analogue BBC One off-air has zero delay (in reality it may have a couple of frames relative to the originating studio - but not much) and is the reference, and assuming roughly similar encoding GOPs are used on both BBC One and More 4 MPEG2 encoders, then the only difference between a digital BBC feed and a digital C4 feed will be the extra delay that is involved with getting the BBC One analogue feed to a screen in the Derren Brown studio (flat panels usually introduce a frame or three), the delay via the camera and mixer in that studio (often just a few lines?), and the delay via the circuit (again not that much), and a frame synchronise or two into the playout area at Red Bee. Could easily be around 5 frames?
BA
bilky asko
When Derren switches the TV off the reflection of the card on the TV is blank!

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h162/daveraveuk/lotto.jpg


That reflection is blurred, so of course you're not going to see any numbers.
MA
Macalolo
When Derren switches the TV off the reflection of the card on the TV is blank!

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h162/daveraveuk/lotto.jpg


That reflection is blurred, so of course you're not going to see any numbers.


Wouldn't you be able to see an outline though or a blur of the numbers?
BA
bilky asko
When Derren switches the TV off the reflection of the card on the TV is blank!

[imgwashere]http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h162/daveraveuk/lotto.jpg[/imgwashere]


That reflection is blurred, so of course you're not going to see any numbers.


Wouldn't you be able to see an outline though or a blur of the numbers?


I doubt it - a quick test I've just done produces a blur just like the one in the image.
HC
Hatton Cross
What studio was he coming from, was it a channel 4 one?


Channel 4 don't have any. I didn't recognise it but it looked like a converted warehouse


Riverside Studios - Studio 1.
The former home of TFI Friday, and Full On Food. It's the exposed backwall brickwork that gives it away.

Of course, the ironic thing about this 'event' and the lottery is - no-one won it and Saturdays draw is a rollover!
A nice twist to all that would have been for someone from Objective productions to run upto the WH Smith store in the Hammersmith shopping centre above the tube station, and put £1 on the numbers Derren predicted coming up - then on the Friday show, announce he was the only winner (which he would have been) and donate the £2million quid to a load of charities of his choice.
AN
all new Phil
But that would have required Derren to have predicted the numbers that were to be drawn. That is not what he did - Derren is an illusionist, not a psychic.
HC
Hatton Cross
Yes. I know. And I've read his 'tricks of the mind' book as well. Fell for that one. Sorry - cynical hat back on now..

I really think there is more than just a bog standard tv camera trick involved here. But if you think tomorrow evening you are going to get a full 45 min explanation, then you are going to be dissapointed.

The system programme he did last year (or was it earlier this?) featured a subject close to my heart Horse Racing, and whilst I knew there is no real system to win a the horses - most of that show was set pieces and long set-ups to the final scene which basically involved low level hyponsis and slight of hand palming by Derren.

'How to win the lottery' show will just be that again. Switch it on at 9.45 and you still won't have missed how he did it.

One more thing - has anyone picked up on the amount of time the Samsung HD tv took to produce a picture after he switched it on - and the thick black cable snaking out of the back of it - which didn't appear to line up when it went behind the clear perspex podium holding the 6 ping pong balls?
HO
howarthcd
I firmly believed that the unsteady-hand effect was digitally applied, but now I'm not so sure after watching the clip several times.

Just when the Dream numbers are about to be drawn a lens reflection appears between the top left of the TV screen showing BBC1 and the top of the picture, you'll have to look carefully to see it but once you've identified it it then stands out. This reflection comes and goes dependent on the level of zoom, but more importantly doesn't jitter with the picture, i.e. it remains fixed in position on my TV screen whilst the picture jumps around, suggesting that the unsteady-hand effect could well have been genuinely due to (possibly intentional) camera movement, making the split-screen method difficult to implement successfully.

Chris
Last edited by howarthcd on 10 September 2009 10:39pm
IS
Inspector Sands
But that would have required Derren to have predicted the numbers that were to be drawn. That is not what he did - Derren is an illusionist, not a psychic.


I loved the moment in his 'Evening of' show (which was repeated last night) where he's trying to communicate with an audience member at the top of the theatre and said:

'you'll have to speak up, I'm not a ****ing mindreader!' Laughing
DO
dosxuk
This guy has noticed that the camera pans & tilts randomly, but never rolls, as a wobbly hand held would do...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWeXOGfiqxg
BR
Brekkie
However it was (or indeed wasn't) done, I bet Camelot are rubbing their hands in glee. This is the best publicity the Lottery has had for years, and there's bound to be a slight boost in ticket sales this week at least from suckers believing they can do it for themselves.
BA
bambuster
Sooo know the answer to this, but really scared to say it as it will destroy the whole of the act Shocked

Put it this way, Someone will win the lottery on Saturday, by following Derrens advice!!!

I just hope it’s me Wink

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