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MK
Mr Kite
If Sky do that, then my respect for that company will rise.

I actually think that satelite & cable companies should be subject to 'must carry' rules when it comes to PBS stations. This is in place in America. The main thing it does over there is ensure that the company shows the local station of any network, instead of possibly circumventing it by just showing a network service from New York.
MK
Mr Kite
Completely agree as a fellow Merseysider. I've been into BBC Liverpool, and its newsroom, and all the staff are very hard-working and passionate about this station, which has been said, has a very large and faithful audience. The whole approach towards this station from its staff is very particular and different to other BBC local radio stations.


I was in there eariler this year. They were really helpful and happy to show me around. It was a bit depressing to find out that most editorial choices for what music is play come up the line from Birmingham (er, local radio?) and it really is 'small unimportant town' scale compared to cities of a similar size.

I think the 'particularness' of the station is merely a reflection on the region it serves. Liverpool and the wider region really is quite distinct. There really is a sense of place. A lot of us really don't get the whole 'North West' thing. We don't hate Manchester, or East Lancashire towns but it's a separate part of the country and no more relevant than much the rest of the country; certainly when North Wales and what are considered Midland counties are just as close.
MA
Markymark
I noticed this article on Media Guardian today...
Quote:
Sky could soften cuts to BBC 'by waiving transmission fees'
The BBC ignited a row over how much the corporation pays BSkyB for carrying its channels by saying it could save £50m from Sky, and so reverse planned cuts to BBC local radio and BBC4.

Article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/oct/12/sky-bbc-local-radio-transmission-fees



Poorly written article. Sky do not 're-transmit' any BBC channels. The BBC (well Siemens actually) uplink themselves from W12 and pay Astra directly for the rental of the satellite transponders (those same transmissions also serve the Freesat platform)

What the Beeb do pay Sky 10 million a year for is the EPG inclusion on Sky's platform, and the regionalisation of BBC 1 and 2 based upon the viewers' subscription card postcode registration.
PE
Pete Founding member
What the Beeb do pay Sky 10 million a year for is the EPG inclusion on Sky's platform, and the regionalisation of BBC 1 and 2 based upon the viewers' subscription card postcode registration.


So the question is, whether maintaining a mapping against a postcode database for the most popular channels on the platform is worth £10m a year?
VM
VMPhil
I would agree on a central North West station. On the risk of sounding like Tumble Tower, I immediately thought of a name and some 90s-style JAM jingles to go along with it! The BBC's North West SuperStation (to the tune of BBC Radio 1 FM). With opt-outs on weekends for Merseyside, Manchester and Lancashire. It'll never happen though.

As someone who comes from Merseyside, I do enjoy some of the programming on Radio Merseyside, however I much prefer the banter and music choice of Real Radio North West - comes out of Manchester, but isn't biased to it at all when it comes to news/sports reporting. Anyone who moans about what order their team is listed out needs to have a good think about themselves! Everton may come on at the very end of every Match of the Day, but you don't see me moaning about it.
MK
Mr Kite
Well, if you're happy with Mancunian media and Everton being last on Match Of The Day, good for you.

Personally, I feel Liverpool should have its own TV & radio, like it would have if it was in most other developed countries.

So 'no' to BBC Radio North West.
VM
VMPhil
Well, if you're happy with Mancunian media and Everton being last on Match Of The Day, good for you.

Personally, I feel Liverpool should have its own TV & radio, like it would have if it was in most other developed countries.

So 'no' to BBC Radio North West.


I am only saying yes to Radio North West if cuts are needed. However, Radio Merseyside is the most popular local radio station, and I believe it should stay. And even so, I'm sure that as soon as plans to scrap it would be announced, people would probably sign up to any petition very very quickly. It's a much loved station, and I'm sure a lot of people would be sad to see it go. That's why I put "But it'll never happen".

I however would not, I prefer Real Radio, and I don't really mind when Everton is on Match of the Day. But others do. I'm not so narrow-minded that I believe just because I don't like one thing means everything else doesn't either.
BR
Brekkie
Well, if you're happy with Mancunian media and Everton being last on Match Of The Day, good for you.

Personally, I feel Liverpool should have its own TV & radio, like it would have if it was in most other developed countries.

So 'no' to BBC Radio North West.

Has the idea of a Liverpool sub-region on either ITV or BBC ever been floated? (I'd guess we'd be going back to the last century if it was!)
IS
Inspector Sands
They were really helpful and happy to show me around. It was a bit depressing to find out that most editorial choices for what music is play come up the line from Birmingham (er, local radio?)

Music is a very minor part of local radio, outside of specialist music programmes. On most daytime programmes it seems to be just something to punctuate the speech in the blandest most mainstream way possible.

BBC Local Radio has had a music policy for years, and of course it's by no way unusual in that
MA
Markymark
Well, if you're happy with Mancunian media and Everton being last on Match Of The Day, good for you.

Personally, I feel Liverpool should have its own TV & radio, like it would have if it was in most other developed countries.

So 'no' to BBC Radio North West.

Has the idea of a Liverpool sub-region on either ITV or BBC ever been floated? (I'd guess we'd be going back to the last century if it was!)


Yes, in the early 80s by the IBA. Rejected because of the complication that Winter Hill is the main transmitter for both cities. Liverpool is also served by the Storeton relay, but its use is by no means universal. Also complicated by the proximity to Wales, and the resulting shortage of spare frequencies to carry a service anyway.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
Another unpopular idea, which I thought of, is the merging of neighbouring BBC radio stations. For instance in the north west why have Radio Lancashire, Radio Merseyside and Radio Manchester when one north west radio station would suffice - especially as quite a bit of the content of the stations are simulcast.

Although they all serve different parts of the north west with a so-called different angle on things, the news is the same on all the stations!!! Anyway Pan-northwest commercial radio exists and is popular, so why not use the same pattern/model for the BBC regional radio service.


Go to Liverpool and suggest that the station will be broadcast from Manchester with the latest news on City & United ahead of Liverpool & Everton, and see how well that idea would go down. Then go to Preston or Blackburn and suggest it again!


But that seems to be acceptable on TV?

It's not so many years ago that in the evenings Radio Leeds would originate Nightsport with John Boyd that was also taken by York, Sheffield and Humberside. Each station would opt out of it if they had local commentaries, or put the commentary on one frequency and leave Boydy on the other.
WE
Westy2
Another unpopular idea, which I thought of, is the merging of neighbouring BBC radio stations. For instance in the north west why have Radio Lancashire, Radio Merseyside and Radio Manchester when one north west radio station would suffice - especially as quite a bit of the content of the stations are simulcast.

Although they all serve different parts of the north west with a so-called different angle on things, the news is the same on all the stations!!! Anyway Pan-northwest commercial radio exists and is popular, so why not use the same pattern/model for the BBC regional radio service.


Go to Liverpool and suggest that the station will be broadcast from Manchester with the latest news on City & United ahead of Liverpool & Everton, and see how well that idea would go down. Then go to Preston or Blackburn and suggest it again!


But that seems to be acceptable on TV?

It's not so many years ago that in the evenings Radio Leeds would originate Nightsport with John Boyd that was also taken by York, Sheffield and Humberside. Each station would opt out of it if they had local commentaries, or put the commentary on one frequency and leave Boydy on the other.


Generally, did footy go on AM or FM?

Here in the Midlands(well WM) until a few years ago, it was footy on FM with Asian Network programming on AM.

This was back in the days when WM still had it's AM frequencies, before Asian Network took them over full time.

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