Defunct ITV Regions:What Still Survives

Can new paperwork be created then? Or is it not so straightforward?

Incidentally, Nic Aylling also, I believe, owns the rights to the Southern TV name and logo.

So there is no way of making these TVS shows available again, we'll never see the likes of Cats Eyes again or Motormouth.

He also uploaded alot other TVS archive, which has said to other people he got given them off ex TVS employees.



Both Right, around 2007/8 with Maidstone being upgrade by the new owners, The tapes were moved out to a Warehouse in KENT, I believe Ashford. This is where it gets a bit muddy, The Archive is in the hands in Disney in Kent warehouse, but it was believe that tapes have also been seen in LEEDS between these points but everything is now in KENT



This is where I DON'T BELIEVE the missing paper, Challenge where still broadcasting TVS Catchphrase, All clued up until 2001, so the paper was around then. Why get rid of something which had vaule then? Something just stinks!

In relation to who owns what etc, the wiki pages have been updated again, with the TV live wiki being updated shortly today aswell. Said pages will have even more ref to help prove the case.

They can't just make up the information that it contained, that's as bad as having nothing at all. I'd have thought that with a heck of a lot of research some could be cobbled together but that's not economically viable. The owners aren't going to spend a fortune on sorting it if the subsequent revenue from the sales doesn't produce a profit.

Some TVS programmes are in the hands of indie production companies that produced the programmes for TVS or spun off from it such as Topical Television

I would assume that the problem is with programmes that have just sat in the archive since 1993. If those two programmes were being repeated then maybe the paperwork survived the junking - it was actually being used and referenced not sitting in a filing cabinet.

The fact that Catchphrase continued after the loss of their license probably helped too, that and the fact that the various payments wouldn't be that different from episode to episode

Was watching a Wile E Coyote DVD, and it gave me a thought on Motormouth. Even if the paperwork to the UK rights to the show could be found, you then have another complicating factor, that being the rights to things shown within it. At the time of Motormouth, ITV had the rights to Warner Brothers cartoons, and showed some of these during Motormouth. Nowadays, those UK free to air rights are held by Channel 5, and so even if you could show Motormouth, a hell of a lot ofediting would have to be done, to edit out Looney Tunes, to edit out links into them, and possibly even edit programme intros to avoid saying Looney tunes are coming up when they're not.

For other shows, like CATS EYES or All Clued Up, that isn't so much of an issue. But for Motormouth, and possibly 73, it would be. My idea of creating new paperwork therefore goes out the window!

Was also thinking, if the rights holders in other territories can be traced, and the relevant paperwork found, could that be a starting point to finding the UK paperwork, or creating new UK paperwork?

This shows the necessity for comprehensive and legible titles on all productions.

Exactly, as I said, the paperwork for programmes that have always been in demand is still around, much of it stored digitally. It's only a certain amount of the TVS archive that nobody wants, where paperwork may have been lost.

I find it surprising that Disney would be paying to store an archive that they will never use. The easiest thing would be for them to donate it to the BFI or something.

Old Challenge did ask continues to get TVS catchphrase back, after umpteen discussion there said ITV dont have the tapes, we pointed out ITV did not deal with it and Disney, who has to be consulted about the issue. Nothing else was said, and that was back in 2006-08 only a few years after the tapes stopped being broadcast. WE could always try again and see If NEW challenge would go after TVS catchphrase again, Saying that S9 that was given to Merd, has never been seen again either, but should still be in the hands of ITV. Concentration was also being broadcast on challenge aswell so that paperwork should be around.

I'm sure all of the regional archive along with sport and news went to meridian, how else do you enplane, 40 years in the south, ITV 50th in the south. Southern Gold, which all had TVS local stuff in it.

Here the next point a number of TVS shows such as Bobby Davro on the Box, Catchphrase, C.A.T.S Eyes, Five Alive, Kelly's Eye, The Ruth Rendell Mysteries, and other various light entertainment programmes were all made in deal with LWT, to fill up the weekend line up, so I dare say Paperwork for that must be around. Im also sure some of those shows ended up filling up Family channel during 1993-96.

Once again Fraggle rock something rather strange is going on with that, how did the BFI end up with some of the master tapes? Why didn't Henson company get copies of the inserts?

The stuff thats left? Saturday morning shows, some kids programmes, few other bits n bobs, which are not held in ITV. Disney should just give it to BFI.

I read an article a while back where George Baker, who starred in TVS's Ruth Rendell Mysteries was taking the then current right holders (Saban/Disney?) to court in order to get payment for the other actors in the show. Whilst he had received repeat fees, the lesser actors had been omitted from royalties owing to the missing paperwork, and as I recall, Baker won the battle after a VERY long fight.

I;m confused Disney does not own that, since the series was still being made it it was past over to Meridian Television (in association with Blue Heaven Productions, thus ITV should be paying the cost.....

There we go, Saban/Disney did own it and had to pay the royalties. So perhaps they 'found' the paperwork.
http://inspectorwexford.info/archive/articles/unpaid-royalties/