DA
I've heard the missing paperwork story many times, but I wonder what it means. Is the archive properly organised, so if someone approached Disney with a request for complete episodes or clips of TVS programmes, would they be able to get hold of them even if they couldn't then broadcast or release them? Is it only the rights 'paperwork' that is missing or is there a bunch of tapes sitting on shelves somewhere that are uncatalogued?
What would actually happen if something from the TVS archive was broadcast on TV? An interesting court case, I would imagine. What would happen if someone uploaded complete episodes of TVS programmes to Youtube? Probably nothing.
There was a BBC Four documentary about pop music and Saturday morning TV that used clips from Number 73. It is possible that these came from a private collection of course.
What would actually happen if something from the TVS archive was broadcast on TV? An interesting court case, I would imagine. What would happen if someone uploaded complete episodes of TVS programmes to Youtube? Probably nothing.
There was a BBC Four documentary about pop music and Saturday morning TV that used clips from Number 73. It is possible that these came from a private collection of course.
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harshy
Founding member
I personally think its been properly documented, just theres no interest in the archive anymore, I really don't think broadcast companies can be that stupid ok they were In the 70s when they'd wipe out their broadcast tapes but I really cant believe the paperwork dosent exist.
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A former member
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What would actually happen if something from the TVS archive was broadcast on TV? An interesting court case, I would imagine. What would happen if someone uploaded complete episodes of TVS programmes to Youtube? Probably nothing.
Someone is, and there lots of clips and Full epsoides etc....
Paul O'grady show used clips form No73, which copyright to Disney, there claim it come out of a skip, but again if there is NO PAPARWORK how did paul broadcast it?
Fraggle Rock does not belong to Disney nor TVS, I cant believe Jim Henson never got copies of TVS inserts, TVS could have been showing any old crap.
WP
If it's being used in the context of a review, permission and rights don't need to be sought (source: Screenwipe). Harry Hill's TV Burp used content without permission routinely because of that.
The paperwork essentially ensures the right people get paid the right amount each time. I expect Roy Walker would expect payment for a repeat of Catchphrase, for example. If an episode was aired with Disney's permission, I imagine Roy Walker could sue - I've no idea what amount would be sought, however!
The paperwork essentially ensures the right people get paid the right amount each time. I expect Roy Walker would expect payment for a repeat of Catchphrase, for example. If an episode was aired with Disney's permission, I imagine Roy Walker could sue - I've no idea what amount would be sought, however!
WH
But popular shows such as Catchphrase and Ruth Rendall have appropriate paperwork as they were being repeated/sold abroad at the time. It's only the stuff that nobody wants that is 'lost' in the system.
Whataday
Founding member
If it's being used in the context of a review, permission and rights don't need to be sought (source: Screenwipe). Harry Hill's TV Burp used content without permission routinely because of that.
The paperwork essentially ensures the right people get paid the right amount each time. I expect Roy Walker would expect payment for a repeat of Catchphrase, for example. If an episode was aired with Disney's permission, I imagine Roy Walker could sue - I've no idea what amount would be sought, however!
The paperwork essentially ensures the right people get paid the right amount each time. I expect Roy Walker would expect payment for a repeat of Catchphrase, for example. If an episode was aired with Disney's permission, I imagine Roy Walker could sue - I've no idea what amount would be sought, however!
But popular shows such as Catchphrase and Ruth Rendall have appropriate paperwork as they were being repeated/sold abroad at the time. It's only the stuff that nobody wants that is 'lost' in the system.
WP
But popular shows such as Catchphrase and Ruth Rendall have appropriate paperwork as they were being repeated/sold abroad at the time. It's only the stuff that nobody wants that is 'lost' in the system.
I don't think they do - that's certainly not the situation as I understand it.
Remember - it's the rights holder who would be responsible for correctly allocating revenue from distribution sales - in the example of Catchphrase - Challenge paid one amount to acquire that programming for a fixed period and/or number of showings; with that payment they are assured by the rights holder that they now have the right to show that content within a fixed period and/or for a fixed period. Challenge are not concerned with paying Roy Walker et. al., that would be TVS Archive's owner's [agent's] issue.
If it's being used in the context of a review, permission and rights don't need to be sought (source: Screenwipe). Harry Hill's TV Burp used content without permission routinely because of that.
The paperwork essentially ensures the right people get paid the right amount each time. I expect Roy Walker would expect payment for a repeat of Catchphrase, for example. If an episode was aired with Disney's permission, I imagine Roy Walker could sue - I've no idea what amount would be sought, however!
The paperwork essentially ensures the right people get paid the right amount each time. I expect Roy Walker would expect payment for a repeat of Catchphrase, for example. If an episode was aired with Disney's permission, I imagine Roy Walker could sue - I've no idea what amount would be sought, however!
But popular shows such as Catchphrase and Ruth Rendall have appropriate paperwork as they were being repeated/sold abroad at the time. It's only the stuff that nobody wants that is 'lost' in the system.
I don't think they do - that's certainly not the situation as I understand it.
Remember - it's the rights holder who would be responsible for correctly allocating revenue from distribution sales - in the example of Catchphrase - Challenge paid one amount to acquire that programming for a fixed period and/or number of showings; with that payment they are assured by the rights holder that they now have the right to show that content within a fixed period and/or for a fixed period. Challenge are not concerned with paying Roy Walker et. al., that would be TVS Archive's owner's [agent's] issue.
PT
Someone is, and there lots of clips and Full epsoides etc....
That person is Nic Ayling (if you mean TheMeakers channel), he used to work for TVS and part owns some of the rights to the material for No 73 etc.
I doubt there's any archive material left at Maidstone - I think it was all chucked in a skip when they built studio 5.
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What would actually happen if something from the TVS archive was broadcast on TV? An interesting court case, I would imagine. What would happen if someone uploaded complete episodes of TVS programmes to Youtube? Probably nothing.
Someone is, and there lots of clips and Full epsoides etc....
That person is Nic Ayling (if you mean TheMeakers channel), he used to work for TVS and part owns some of the rights to the material for No 73 etc.
I doubt there's any archive material left at Maidstone - I think it was all chucked in a skip when they built studio 5.
DA
How did the situation come about that Disney and some guy jointly own the rights to something?
That person is Nic Ayling (if you mean TheMeakers channel), he used to work for TVS and part owns some of the rights to the material for No 73 etc.
How did the situation come about that Disney and some guy jointly own the rights to something?
PT
How did the situation come about that Disney and some guy jointly own the rights to something?
TVS bought out the American company MTM Enterprises (Mary Taylor Moore Company) to create TVS Entertainment which was in turn taken over by the ABC in 1992 who are now part-owned by Disney - something like that but we're forever going through this on here.
Nic Ayling part-owns material but I'm presuming he's got rights to only the shows he worked on. I'm not really sure, it's a complicated situation... probably need to get someone like Dick Fiddy on the case!
That person is Nic Ayling (if you mean TheMeakers channel), he used to work for TVS and part owns some of the rights to the material for No 73 etc.
How did the situation come about that Disney and some guy jointly own the rights to something?
TVS bought out the American company MTM Enterprises (Mary Taylor Moore Company) to create TVS Entertainment which was in turn taken over by the ABC in 1992 who are now part-owned by Disney - something like that but we're forever going through this on here.
Nic Ayling part-owns material but I'm presuming he's got rights to only the shows he worked on. I'm not really sure, it's a complicated situation... probably need to get someone like Dick Fiddy on the case!
WP
Someone is, and there lots of clips and Full epsoides etc....
That person is Nic Ayling (if you mean TheMeakers channel), he used to work for TVS and part owns some of the rights to the material for No 73 etc.
I doubt there's any archive material left at Maidstone - I think it was all chucked in a skip when they built studio 5.
As of 2008/9, the archive was still in place in storage at Maidstone.
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What would actually happen if something from the TVS archive was broadcast on TV? An interesting court case, I would imagine. What would happen if someone uploaded complete episodes of TVS programmes to Youtube? Probably nothing.
Someone is, and there lots of clips and Full epsoides etc....
That person is Nic Ayling (if you mean TheMeakers channel), he used to work for TVS and part owns some of the rights to the material for No 73 etc.
I doubt there's any archive material left at Maidstone - I think it was all chucked in a skip when they built studio 5.
As of 2008/9, the archive was still in place in storage at Maidstone.
JA
How did the situation come about that Disney and some guy jointly own the rights to something?
TVS bought out the American company MTM Enterprises (Mary Taylor Moore Company) to create TVS Entertainment which was in turn taken over by the ABC in 1992 who are now part-owned by Disney - something like that but we're forever going through this on here.
No, that's wrong. From Wikipedia (and essentially repeating what was posted earlier):
Sources:
1 http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-13966243.html
2 http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-18107792.html
3 http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=668030#post18347327
4 http://www.mausoleumclubforum.org.uk/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=14661&page=1#pid163237
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_South
That person is Nic Ayling (if you mean TheMeakers channel), he used to work for TVS and part owns some of the rights to the material for No 73 etc.
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TVS Entertainment was sold on 1 February 1993 to the American Company International Family Entertainment Inc. (IFE). Later that year in September, IFE launched a UK version of The Family Channel based in The Maidstone Studios and using some elements of the TVS programme archive. Flextech were a partner in the venture, taking a 39% stake in the business.[1]
In 1996, IFE sold its remaining 61% share to Flextech,[2] giving them full ownership of the venture, and subsequently in February 1997 Flextech rebranded the channel to Challenge TV, focusing mainly on game shows. Meanwhile, also in 1997, IFE was sold to Fox Kids Worldwide, which in turn was acquired by Disney in 2001. As a result, most of the TVS archive is now in their hands, although much of it is understood to be largely inaccessible due to the paperwork detailing programme contributors, rights agreements, etc., having been lost in the intervening years.[3][4]
In 1996, IFE sold its remaining 61% share to Flextech,[2] giving them full ownership of the venture, and subsequently in February 1997 Flextech rebranded the channel to Challenge TV, focusing mainly on game shows. Meanwhile, also in 1997, IFE was sold to Fox Kids Worldwide, which in turn was acquired by Disney in 2001. As a result, most of the TVS archive is now in their hands, although much of it is understood to be largely inaccessible due to the paperwork detailing programme contributors, rights agreements, etc., having been lost in the intervening years.[3][4]
1 http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-13966243.html
2 http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-18107792.html
3 http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=668030#post18347327
4 http://www.mausoleumclubforum.org.uk/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=14661&page=1#pid163237
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_South