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A former member

She's only mildly better now, but I wouldn't be asking her what word defines "cool".


Yep - though it's worth remembering that this was the era when JSP was going out with Normski (who presented Dance Energy) and was clubbing all the time (by all accounts). In the interview I remember her saying that "def" was used in the context of "Something being well def" meaning it was cool...


Wasn't she presenting six oclock show pre 1987?
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member

She's only mildly better now, but I wouldn't be asking her what word defines "cool".


Yep - though it's worth remembering that this was the era when JSP was going out with Normski (who presented Dance Energy) and was clubbing all the time (by all accounts). In the interview I remember her saying that "def" was used in the context of "Something being well def" meaning it was cool...


God it all comes flooding back.

Here she is in 1987 looking wretched in Deirdre specs. She won that BAFTA for "Originality" for Network 7. It was original, I suppose. A lot of it was turgid, though.

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SW
Steve Williams
Do the young really want TV for them?


When it was being launched, JSP said that it wasn't going to do everything because young people already watched drama like Neighbours and alternative comedy, but they generally didn't watch factual programmes so they needed to be made in a different way, and that was what DEF II was going to concentrate on, with things like Reportage and Rough Guides. Similarly there was never one catch-all DEF II music show but shows that covered different genres.

I became a teenager while DEF II was on and I can't say I watched it all the time, but by its very nature you weren't going to watch all of it, and it was quite patchy as well, it never had the budgets or scheduling to commission new stuff all year round so it relied on a lot of repeats and recycled stuff from CBBC (like Degrassi Junior High, including some episodes that were considered too adult for CBBC) and schools programmes and the regions and primetime (like repeats of the Real McCoy). If they'd put more money into it, it would have had a bit more swagger.

The DEF II show I always watched was Dance Energy, because I was into all that at the time, and I particularly enjoyed it when it became Dance Energy House Party, with the show relocating to Normski's "house", ie a blatantly obvious studio set. They really broadened the music policy and put a load of indie dance crossover on and also added comedy, and it was highly entertaining. Used to watch the Fresh Prince at the time too. You knew what the point of DEF II was and I think it did a better job than most at attracting young people, certainly it had an impact on what C4 were doing, they started showing youth-skewing programmes in the 6-7pm hour.

Of course though DEF II was on Mondays and Wednesdays, on Wednesdays it didn't actually start until 6.50 and Star Trek The Next Generation, and then the original Star Trek when TNG was exclusive to Sky for a few years, went out at six as a proper BBC2 programme. At the time apparently there was also a memo going around the Beeb that TNG had to start exactly on time because if it was even a minute late they'd get a thousand complaints from Trekkies.

One odd thing is that during much of the run of DEF II, Friday nights had equally young-skewing programming, all the ITC repeats were there, plus Doctor Who and in January 1992, the show 100% which was supposed to be a halfway house between CBBC and DEF II, starring Trevor and Simon, which was actually a CBBC production (and which was going to get a second series but which was axed right at the last minute as there was an accounting cockup and the Beeb had gone massively over-budget and axed a load of shows to save money). The Living Soap was in that Friday slot too, in 1993. But for some reason that was never billed as DEF II even though the line-up certainly wouldn't have seemed out of place.
MK
Mr Kite
DEF II was Janet Street Port-ah wasn't it?

At this time she was obsessed that London was the be all and end all and that kids in Newcastle didn't want to hear what was relevant to them in the North East, but wanted to hear what was going on in 'da city'.

I'm probably wrong again but wasn't DEFII from BBC Manchester? Or did the move of yoof programmes happen afterwards?


Yep - DEF II came out of Manchester, but not sure how much time Janet Street-Porter spent there. Think it may have been a bit like the National Lottery (technically a BBC Manchester production, but with an office in Shepherds Bush...)


As if Janet Street-Porter has ever left London. What sort of woman do you take her for?
GE
thegeek Founding member
All the talk of JSP on this thread (and also her appearance on Celebrity Masterchef) reminded me of one of my favourite newspaper headlines, from the Independent on Sunday in 2005.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/nonstick/actually-janet-i-can-think-of-one_zps0bb938f5.jpg
LL
Larry the Loafer
All the talk of JSP on this thread (and also her appearance on Celebrity Masterchef) reminded me of one of my favourite newspaper headlines, from the Independent on Sunday in 2005.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/nonstick/actually-janet-i-can-think-of-one_zps0bb938f5.jpg


My sides...
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A former member
DEF II was Janet Street Port-ah wasn't it?

At this time she was obsessed that London was the be all and end all and that kids in Newcastle didn't want to hear what was relevant to them in the North East, but wanted to hear what was going on in 'da city'.

I'm probably wrong again but wasn't DEFII from BBC Manchester? Or did the move of yoof programmes happen afterwards?


Yep - DEF II came out of Manchester, but not sure how much time Janet Street-Porter spent there. Think it may have been a bit like the National Lottery (technically a BBC Manchester production, but with an office in Shepherds Bush...)


As if Janet Street-Porter has ever left London. What sort of woman do you take her for?


She likes walking the hills and not even Paul ogrady can keep up with her.
WE
Westy2
DEF II was Janet Street Port-ah wasn't it?

At this time she was obsessed that London was the be all and end all and that kids in Newcastle didn't want to hear what was relevant to them in the North East, but wanted to hear what was going on in 'da city'.

I'm probably wrong again but wasn't DEFII from BBC Manchester? Or did the move of yoof programmes happen afterwards?


Yep - DEF II came out of Manchester, but not sure how much time Janet Street-Porter spent there. Think it may have been a bit like the National Lottery (technically a BBC Manchester production, but with an office in Shepherds Bush...)


As if Janet Street-Porter has ever left London. What sort of woman do you take her for?


She likes walking the hills and not even Paul ogrady can keep up with her.


Not unless he wants another heartattack!
JT
jolly turnip
My pal Esme Frain was one of the finalists to become a presenter of No Limits - I don't recall if Jenny was already the host or whether that was the process that found her. It was covered on TV as an open casting call and videod auditions. Terribly exciting, at the time - she had been in the cast of a show we did in 1986. I believe she's a producer now.


That would have been the third and final series in 1987, where they hired fourteen pairs of presenters to co-present individual episodes, as you say they did it all on air and it turns up on clip shows now because Tamsin Outhwaite was one of the auditionees.

It didn't discover Jenny Powell through that process, though, the first series in 1985 was presented by Lisa Maxwell and a man called Jeremy Legge, then Powell and Tony "Postman" Baker did series two - though it was Powell's first TV gig, I think - and then continued into series three with all the regional nabobs.


There were four series I think. The last one as you say included the regional presenters as well as Jenny and Tony.

I remember Lisa Maxwell presenting but not the other guy
BA
bilky asko

She's only mildly better now, but I wouldn't be asking her what word defines "cool".


Yep - though it's worth remembering that this was the era when JSP was going out with Normski (who presented Dance Energy) and was clubbing all the time (by all accounts). In the interview I remember her saying that "def" was used in the context of "Something being well def" meaning it was cool...


Urban Dictionary always comes to the rescue in these situations.
RA
radiolistener

She's only mildly better now, but I wouldn't be asking her what word defines "cool".


Yep - though it's worth remembering that this was the era when JSP was going out with Normski (who presented Dance Energy) and was clubbing all the time (by all accounts). In the interview I remember her saying that "def" was used in the context of "Something being well def" meaning it was cool...


Yes, but DEF were effectively continuing letters from BBC, and since it was on the second channel, DEF II.
RA
radiolistener

She's only mildly better now, but I wouldn't be asking her what word defines "cool".


Yep - though it's worth remembering that this was the era when JSP was going out with Normski (who presented Dance Energy) and was clubbing all the time (by all accounts). In the interview I remember her saying that "def" was used in the context of "Something being well def" meaning it was cool...


God it all comes flooding back.

Here she is in 1987 looking wretched in Deirdre specs. She won that BAFTA for "Originality" for Network 7. It was original, I suppose. A lot of it was turgid, though.

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She really is responsible for a lot of dumbing down of television.

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