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Daybreak: With Lorraine Kelly and Aled Jones

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Identity
I believe the into break is a lighter version on the sting on track 13, the Regional Opt failure track?


yes it is but it just doesn't fit I don't think
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SomeRandomStuff
Hey I've-pointlessly-changed-my-Identity-from-TVMocker14-to-Daybreak-and-its-not-fooled-anyone Why don't you put these pointless mocks in the pointless gallery and we can give you a pointless one star rating for your complete pointlessness.

It feels like they have been rebranding this programme for DECADES, when are they going to just get on with it?
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SWatson7
It feels like they have been rebranding this programme for DECADES, when are they going to just get on with it?


In about 3 weeks time (which still seems like an age in terms of the current show). It seems even longer because of the yellow rebrand at the start of this year. The purple Daybreak fronted by Adrian & Christine seems a very long time ago, when it was only 8 months. If there was a January relaunch, it would have been rushed and if they went for April (as originally rumoured) they'd have a lot of negative press over the summer when the ratings will drop very low- not just because it's the summer holidays but because of the Olympics too, and Olympic Breakfast doing very well.
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SomeRandomStuff
It feels like they have been rebranding this programme for DECADES, when are they going to just get on with it?


In about 3 weeks time (which still seems like an age in terms of the current show). It seems even longer because of the yellow rebrand at the start of this year. The purple Daybreak fronted by Adrian & Christine seems a very long time ago, when it was only 8 months. If there was a January relaunch, it would have been rushed and if they went for April (as originally rumoured) they'd have a lot of negative press over the summer when the ratings will drop very low- not just because it's the summer holidays but because of the Olympics too, and Olympic Breakfast doing very well.


I'm not sure its been raised before in this thread, but there is a very good reason why the viewing figures have been so dire and its got nothing to do with the BBC. Its entirely down to the product itself and not competitors, and unless ITV seriously up their game and completely overhaul the programme content, something they failed to do when switching from GMTV to Daybreak, then all of their expensive rebranding exercises will have been for nought. If the BBC had wasted so much money on rebranding its breakfast show there would be calls for the DG's scalp.

...at the end of the day if you put a fancy hat on a turd... its still a turd.
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SWatson7
I'm not sure its been raised before in this thread, but there is a very good reason why the viewing figures have been so dire and its got nothing to do with the BBC. Its entirely down to the product itself and not competitors, and unless ITV seriously up their game and completely overhaul the programme content, something they failed to do when switching from GMTV to Daybreak, then all of their expensive rebranding exercises will have been for nought. If the BBC had wasted so much money on rebranding its breakfast show there would be calls for the DG's scalp.

...at the end of the day if you put a fancy hat on a turd... its still a turd.


Pretty much sums it up. BBC Breakfast is pretty dull but is well structured and informative whereas Daybreak isn't. I've always watched ITV in the mornings until Daybreak started to morph into a bad GMTV copy (I really liked the original Daybreak), and if ITV can produce something better then viewers will switch across in time.

I'm looking forward to the revamp and seeing how it pans out, I also really like Lorraine (I still watch her show if I get the chance to, just not Daybreak itself) so will no doubt watch the new show. But whilst it is a safe option (and is why they have hired her), I do think they'll be setting ITV's breakfast show back by a good 20 years. By setting it back they aren't allowing themselves to move forward which is where GMTV went badly wrong and needed changing. By not allowing it to evolve and by panicking and reverting with the slighest change, the show simply can't move forward, it gets stuck in its ways, viewers get tired and it doesn't reflect the current TV/media landscape. I really do wish they took a risk with Matt & Ranvir hosting the main show and kept it quite news focused. Being unknown would have definitely worked in their favour (viewers don't like big names in the morning unless you've been there for years), and anything that airs after Daybreak 1.0 is bound to go down better. On the off chance that it didn't work, then that would have been the time to draft in Lorraine & co to front a showbiz lead programme.

Viewers are very fickle and television moves on very quickly. It was a different TV landscape but you could draw some parallels to when Richard & Judy left This Morning. It completely fell apart afterwards with the new presenters, looked like it was going to be axed, the low key stand ins were eventually brought in as full time replacements and 10 years on the show is arguably stronger than ever.
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Cando
[Viewers are very fickle and television moves on very quickly. It was a different TV landscape but you could draw some parallels to when Richard & Judy left This Morning. It completely fell apart afterwards with the new presenters, looked like it was going to be axed, the low key stand ins were eventually brought in as full time replacements and 10 years on the show is arguably stronger than ever .


Er This Morning has never really recovered. It is stable now at around a 21% share but is easily beaten by the BBC. In Richard and Judy's heyday it had over 40% of the audience. I don't see how you can describe that as 'stronger than ever.'

[ Viewers are very fickle and television moves on very quickly.


They're actually very loyal until a broadcaster messes up a decent forumula. Which ITV have done a number of times now GMTV, News at Ten, This Morning. Once they were all kings and are now they're just shadows of their former selves.
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SWatson7
Cando posted:
Er This Morning has never really recovered. It is stable now at around a 21% share but is easily beaten by the BBC. In Richard and Judy's heyday it had over 40% of the audience. I don't see how you can describe that as 'stronger than ever.'


Which is precisely why I said it is 'arguably stronger than ever' Wink. I also said it was a different TV landscape. It is simply illogical to suggest that because it is now getting around 21% instead of 40% it isn't as strong as it was. TV viewing has changed, its like saying Corrie is failing because it isn't getting the 15m it was getting 15 years ago. The BBC isn't much further ahead at the same time, and I was making the 'arguably stronger than ever' claim on the basis of it having very strong ratings, a loyal following and winning numerous awards in the last couple of years. Some may not be that prestigous but awards nontheless that they weren't getting before. But that's all irrelevant to this thread, I was merely demonstrating that a show can be messed up but fixed quickly.

Cando posted:
They're actually very loyal until a broadcaster messes up a decent forumula. Which ITV have done a number of times now GMTV, News at Ten, This Morning. Once they were all kings and are now they're just shadows of their former selves.


If they were that loyal then why didn't they stick with GMTV? Between 2005 and 2010, it didn't change that much (other than Eamonn & Fiona both leaving) but it was the slow death of the programme and BBC Breakfast overtook it in that period, no doubt helped by the phone in con. The News at Ten issue is more to do with ITN/ITV News issues than the programme itself, and This Morning is far from messed up.
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DanielK
Cane out of regional news into pre break bed and a coming up sequence and into a break, does that usually happen? Also, the transition between the bed and sting is terrible! Needs to build up to the sting or use the normal sting.
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FromtheNorth
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I really do wish they took a risk with Matt & Ranvir hosting the main show and kept it quite news focused


You've obviously not seen Ranvir presenting North West Tonight. Dreadful, struggled to ad-lib and the fake chat to fill time at the end of the show was awful.
Really not looking forward to her involvement in the show.
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DanielK
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/tvlicensing/dtt/main.htm

Looks like ITV has various 'ITV Breakfast' Channels, +1, 2, 2+1, HD.
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CatsFast101
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/tvlicensing/dtt/main.htm

Looks like ITV has various 'ITV Breakfast' Channels, +1, 2, 2+1, HD.


They always have,
ITV Breakfast 1 > that's ITV (ITV1, UTV, STV)
ITV Breakfast HD > ITV1 HD
ITV Breakfast + 1 > ITV1+1
ITV Breakfast 2 > CITV
ITV Breakfast 2 > CITV +1

ITV Breakfast 2 (was GMTV2) used to be ITV2 then ITV4, but I'm now under the impression that 'ITV Breakfast 2' is only on CITV
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VMPhil
Wasn't there a GMTV3 license as well for ITV3? I remember reading GMTV allowed ITV to broadcast through their timeslot on ITV3.

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