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Daybreak - the launch onwards

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FA
fanoftv
No don't try anr ruin two programmes. Daybreak may be going down but this Morning is not going with it! This Morning is working perfectly fine in its current location and doesn't need the changes outlined.

I agree. This Morning doesn't need to be changed, it's quite a good programme in the format it has: it's designed to be watched in full, not like the repetitive 30-minute format of Daybreak, and needs the different areas to emphasise the various themes of the programme.

Perhaps it would be better if Daybreak gave up on the London skyline view and moved back to Studio 5. I always thought that the original GMTV set in 1993 was better than anything they created later.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/04/12/article-1265498-00C4D38400000190-853_468x286.jpg


Is there a studio plan of the 1993 launch set, as the videos that I've seem to make it feel very large with many presentation areas. They had the desk with fireplace, the cream sofas, a performance area and the kitchen set (usually used for the Simon Parkin kids segment).
ST
Stuart
Is there a studio plan of the 1993 launch set, as the videos that I've seem to make it feel very large with many presentation areas. They had the desk with fireplace, the cream sofas, a performance area and the kitchen set (usually used for the Simon Parkin kids segment).

I've never managed to find one online, although I'm sure I have other pictures of the different areas somewhere on my HDD, but am unable to locate them at the moment.

I think there were at least 3 different areas:
Arrow Fireplace for first hour (and news headlines thereafter)
Arrow Sofa area for later part of the programme, and more in the style of the original BBC Breakfast Time set
Arrow Cookery area

Perhaps the cookery area was re-dressed as the the kids programme for weekends?
TR
trivialmatters
Actually I think This Morning would benefit from swapping studios too. For a programme like This Morning, the skyline view is a lot more impressive and all the necessary areas could easily fit into the studio. Daybreak also has numerous areas (none that they ever appear to use) and for performances they could whip the sofa out and do the songs in front of the windows (as they do on US shows) as opposed to doing it in front of the tacky, and tiny 'performance area' background they currently use on This Morning.
TG
TG
I think there were at least 3 different areas:
Arrow Fireplace for first hour (and news headlines thereafter)
Arrow Sofa area for later part of the programme, and more in the style of the original BBC Breakfast Time set
Arrow Cookery area

Perhaps the cookery area was re-dressed as the the kids programme for weekends?


Nope, that was it. Simon Parkin used the kitchen table for the original "Alarm Alert" strand each morning, then a shaped CSO screen with white logo physically overlaid on the green was rolled in for "It's NOT", the original half-term Lorraine replacement. AFAICR, there was no performance area, as the kitchen was in what would later become that area. Have to say, even at eleven, I rather liked that original incarnation of GMTV - flowed rather nicely having the anchors reading the news before moving across to the sofa.
ST
Stuart
Actually I think This Morning would benefit from swapping studios too. For a programme like This Morning, the skyline view is a lot more impressive and all the necessary areas could easily fit into the studio. Daybreak also has numerous areas (none that they ever appear to use) and for performances they could whip the sofa out and do the songs in front of the windows (as they do on US shows) as opposed to doing it in front of the tacky, and tiny 'performance area' background they currently use on This Morning.

This Morning has standing sets I think, they're not currently 'whipped out' at will and replaced by other programmes. You're necessitating a crew to strike the set and rebuild it: and that's assuming it's of a design that can be easily disassembled and rescontructed.

The London Skyline view doesn't seem to have worked for a national breakfast programme, so I don't imagine that a live view of a non-descript area of the Thames north bank would work any better - perhaps for the same reason that BBC Breakfast haven't gone for a view out of their window in Salford.

A national TV programme doesn't need to have a live vew. I know it's dark outside at 6am for much of the year: I walk the dog then, and I watch the streetlights go out, I wouldn't want to watch something with a floodlit 'real background' of St Pauls, because it wouldn't be natural or relevant to me or 95% of the population, it would seem like an expensive gimmick pandering to Londoners.
Last edited by Stuart on 20 February 2012 10:03pm
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
You're necessitating a crew to strike the set and rebuild it: and that's assuming it's of a design that can be easily disassembled and rescontructed.


Just as a sidenote - most productions don't enjoy the luxury of standing sets. Scenery and flats are, by their nature, intended to be "set" and "struck".
AN
Andrew Founding member
Wouldn't it make complete sense for Daybreak and This Morning to swap studios?

Except Studio 8 (at nearly 3,000 sq ft) is almost 50% bigger than the 2,000 sq ft available for Daybreak in Studio 7.

This Morning has a few different areas with different sets (for cookery items, soap review, general discussion etc) and there isn't the space in Studio 7 to accommodate all of these. I think it would look very cramped if they tried! Shocked


But some of those areas could be cut down to the same, showbiz etc all could come from 1 main set with the London view behind, perhaps changeable so it is rotated for a different view different days? The performance area would just need changing and news/sport area changing to food/cooking or where the news used to be so there is a view?


So basically moving This Morning to the Daybreak studio would be a good idea, as long as the This Morning set was reduced in size and squeezed in? right ok.

Wouldn't it be easier if you want to move Daybreak to another studio, to move them to another studio that is empty and available to lease, rather than doing a swap!
FA
fanoftv
TG posted:
I think there were at least 3 different areas:
Arrow Fireplace for first hour (and news headlines thereafter)
Arrow Sofa area for later part of the programme, and more in the style of the original BBC Breakfast Time set
Arrow Cookery area

Perhaps the cookery area was re-dressed as the the kids programme for weekends?


Nope, that was it. Simon Parkin used the kitchen table for the original "Alarm Alert" strand each morning, then a shaped CSO screen with white logo physically overlaid on the green was rolled in for "It's NOT", the original half-term Lorraine replacement. AFAICR, there was no performance area, as the kitchen was in what would later become that area. Have to say, even at eleven, I rather liked that original incarnation of GMTV - flowed rather nicely having the anchors reading the news before moving across to the sofa.


Ah. That makes more sense in my head to how it would have all fitted in. I remember the kitchen area being quite large with a slopping ceiling/windows above it. Though I think the sofa area was smaller than later incarnations.
I suppose over the years the sofa got bigger, the news desk got smaller (well the last one was quite big, but underused), and due to lack of cookery items the kitchen was binned in favour of a performance area.

Am I right in thinking there was a different kitchen set used around the anthea turner time
If needed? Presumebly this was erected in the performance area?

For Daybreak in my opinion you just have to look at Lorraine. The set seems spacious & works very well with no windows or views in sight. No need to swap studios. Either make the windows work or change studio.
TG
TG
Yup, that was the layout. The kitchen did in fact survive through to the first TVam-alike look, without any modification to match the new set other than them chopping the kitchen table part of it off, but within about six months or a year, cookery items moved to pre-rec spots (Jane Asher for Christmas, and such things, IIRC) and it quietly disappeared.

There was indeed a different kitchen set , a few years later- essentially, a worktop on wheels with a little gas hob, and not much else - this was over to the right of the sofa (as we looked at it) in the area where the news desk sat between 6 and 7. Don't remember it being put up in the performance area - god knows it was rare enough that they even put a curtain up at the back of the set for many years.
CT
CT24
Lorraine Kelly had a nasty fall off her horse yesterday. She is being kept in hospital overnight and Helen Fospero will cover for her tomorrow and possibly the rest of the week.
CT
CT24
CT24 posted:
Erron Gordon says Emma Slifkin is joining Daybreak

https://twitter.com/#!/errongordon


This is exactly what Daybreak doesn't need, some producer from Five News joining the show.

In future please post the exact link to the tweet.


How rude!


Hardly rude. I just think it would be easier if the actual link to the tweet had been posted, it took me a while to find the tweet in question.
EJ
EJNutz
I wish Daybreak will hurry up and announce who the new presenters are going to be (if there is indeed going to be a change). I am getting fed up with Kate each morning. She has a smug patronising way of presenting. Dan should stick to sport.

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