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MA
Macalolo
Is there any reason the main presenter, e.g. Garroway, can't read the news headlines?

Daybreak is a bit more light-hearted (and more showbiz focussed, for the moment anyway) and its hosts are not actual newsreaders unlike BBC Breakfast. Having a separate newsreader on a separate desk creates a more serious environment for delivering the news - it also means that there can be a news update during Lorraine at 9 o'clock, allowing there to be some sense of relationship between the two shows (bar from the coming up segments during Daybreak and the logos).


Having a separate presenter does not create a serious environment in fact in my eyes it does the opposite. It totally undermines the presenters authority and reasoning to be there, the presenters are their to present so why should they have somebody else to read the news?

For a morning breakfast programme news should be the key focus. Having a news presenter restricts this happening because it means news becomes a segment on the programme that is just handed over to like sport and entertainment when in actual fact the news should be brought to by the presenters.

Maybe that has been the problem for breakfast on ITV? The fact that news isn't introduced by it's presenters, afterall you don't see presenters on a main national evening bulletin read the story's on the show and then hand over to another presenter. It would be ludicrous.

The fact that you highlight the show as being light hearted entertainment show also identifies a clear problem with it's identity. I am not saying that the programme has got to be something serious but with a greater mix of news features and newsworthy guests, less fluff and less celebrity guests taking up vital space I feel as if the programme could go a long way. Along with two news presenters with a good background of news presenting who can adapt to more light hearted stuff will hopefully sway things in the right direction.

News, the weather, a sprinkle of showbiz and the sport. That's all daybreak needs.
FA
fanoftv
How do separate news presenters work on the breakfast programmes around the world. I know that the today show in the US & Sunrise in Australia both used to, and may still do have separate anchors for the news headlines.
Do/did they assist with the main presenters over there, are/were they also unneccesary on those shows also? If it is a news programme which I would class breakfast & sky news sunrise as being, then the role wouldn't be needed (though don't sky news use an additional news summary presenter?), where as I see daybreak as being an entertainment/lifestyle magazine programme. The presenters should be able to deal with the way the top story, and important interviews, but have a dedicated news anchor for the summary as they would for sports and entertainment. If they don't require a dedicated person for the news summary, why are dedicated presenters required for other areas?
TR
trivialmatters
The problem I have with Daybreak is that it's far too bitty. There's far too many different sections to it, and having the news desk separate only furthers that feeling. They're already at a disadvantage from having sponsorship stings and ad breaks in between sections, on the few times I've sat down and watched the programme I've never know whether it's coming or going. There's never been any time for the friendly morning sofa banter, because they've had to end it to do the weather.

It'd be a lot cleaner to have the news headlines delivered by the main presenters from the sofa, possibly ditch the weather entirely or at least replace it with an on screen ticker alternating between headlines and the UK weather.
CF
CatsFast101
I think that sometimes having a separate news presenter can maake it more serious, as if you have Kate and Dan reading the news at 7 and then at 7:07 the latest x factor casualty is on chatting it's a bit from one extreme to the other, maybe splitting the presenters- having one for more serious newsy items and the other entertainment lead items?
MA
Macalolo
I think that sometimes having a separate news presenter can maake it more serious, as if you have Kate and Dan reading the news at 7 and then at 7:07 the latest x factor casualty is on chatting it's a bit from one extreme to the other, maybe splitting the presenters- having one for more serious newsy items and the other entertainment lead items?


Whether you had the news read out by either option it is still an underlying issue in the fact that news finishes so early on in the hour.
ID
Identity
I don't get it how tv7 Sunrise in Australia can do it perfect but Daybreak can't. Its really not that hard for them to make it work. They both have the same content but Sunrise just arrange it better and i think maybe Daybreak should watch Sunrise for one morning just for them maybe to learn where they are going wrong.
I sort of agree with the comment on the weather being axed but rather that getting shot of it all together just have it before TOTH, but I like the idea of having it in the ticker and I did that in my Daybreak mock
CT
CT24
I get the feeling Tasmin was pushed rather than it was her decision to leave. Both Steve Hargrace and Kirsy McCabe both seemed shocked at the news on Twitter, surely if she was leaving off her own will they would have known she would be leaving. I'm thinking Cordlia will take up the vacant news post now which is a bad decision in my opinion, the times I've seen her doing the news she always seems nervous and she comes across as quite a cold person. Hopefully she won't be the permanent news presenter.
ST
Stuart
For a morning breakfast programme news should be the key focus. Having a news presenter restricts this happening because it means news becomes a segment on the programme that is just handed over to like sport and entertainment when in actual fact the news should be brought to by the presenters.

Maybe that has been the problem for breakfast on ITV? The fact that news isn't introduced by it's presenters, afterall you don't see presenters on a main national evening bulletin read the story's on the show and then hand over to another presenter. It would be ludicrous.

The fact that you highlight the show as being light hearted entertainment show also identifies a clear problem with it's identity.

I would agree with most of that, Macalolo, if they still should have the same aim.

However, I just think that GMTV/ITV Breakfast have now missed the boat to create something to compete directly with BBC Breakfast. Even C4 realised that they couldn't compete years ago: and simply gave up. C5 just rebroadcast Sky Sunrise for a few years.

It's time for ITV Breakfast to compete for an 'alternative audience', with at least a name to match. That doesn't mean trying to be the same as the commercial networks in the US.

People don't want adverts interrupting something they will only watch for 20mins for information: there is an option in the UK - it's called BBC Breakfast, and they will possibly always have the best PSB ratings (barring something awful happening) against a viewer who wants to fill their precious morning moments with adverts and the possibility of catching an hourly 90 second regional bulletin of a macro area so large that's possibly meaningless (even if it's the right area at all - I get roadworks news in Birmingham (DSat), Southampton/Wales ( DTT) which is handy in Plymouth).

Perhaps ITV should go after Lorraine's audience for a wider period (which IMO it should be - it's worked in one form or another for along time), but cheap Kids TV after the 5:30 news and move to Lorraine (type) at 8am. The woman has a following - they should've exploited that, not brought in people that the audience could willingly 'hang at the media gallows'. Shocked
Last edited by Stuart on 7 January 2012 2:10am - 3 times in total
CR
crippledsmurf
In New Zealand TV ONE's Breakfast program has a separate news presenter and it does work very well. The news set and Breakfast's set share a studio but are separate entities with respect to presentation. I like this as it creates a clear demarcation between the news and the Breakfast program itself.

As a program Breakfast is news and current affairs focused which is balanced nicely with light entertainment content. I've noticed that Breakfast tends to structure things such that the content shown directly before and after the news is of a serious nature and less serious items are between these points. I don't know if this is just standard practice, but I think it helps the programme.

Breakfast has a separate weather presenter who presents live from some point of sicnificance on that day and essentially does a fluff piece with the weather after the news, however this is always introduced by the Breakfast presenters and never the news presenter.
CF
CatsFast101
If I remember rightly didn't GMTV start getting the main presenter to read the top story at the top of the hour and then handing to the news presenter at five past for the rest of the news?
As much as liked Priya-Kaur Jones & More recently Helen Fospero there was no need at all for a news presenter during the 6-7 as it was the NewsHour! Penny should have maybe read a small headlines bulletin and then discuss the stories over the hour.

Maybe daybreak just need a presenter that has a background in journalism to give it a serious touch, because I never understood the thinking of brining in Christine Bleakly (or Adrian tbf!) as she has no journalist background at all not to mention the pair are boring and Christine make Adrian 1% more likeable.

Bit surprised that's there's not been to much in the pres about the new presenters, which can only mean two thing. Either there keeping it under wraps or theres no stories to report as they haven't really started looking properly. I do hope they don't rush to find two people who will end up putting the final nail in the coffin! I say bring back GMTV it had higher audience than daybreak have ever had!
TH
Thomas
If it is a news programme which I would class breakfast & sky news sunrise as being, then the role wouldn't be needed (though don't sky news use an additional news summary presenter?), where as I see daybreak as being an entertainment/lifestyle magazine programme.


Sky News uses an additional news summary presenter of sorts - it used to be just a newsreader role but now they do a lot of interviewing and newspaper stories alongside the main presenter. They then present the 9-10 hour of proper news from the main studio. The clear split between the anchor and second presenter is more blurred than it used to be.
JA
jamesrl
It's Dan Lobb's 40th today and Helen Fospero has tweeted him a birthday message and says, "keep me a space on the Daybreak sofa on Monday, although I can't promise I'll have cake with me".

Could we be seeing Helen return as the news reader? This would be a fantastic move by Daybreak IMO.

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