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distinctly remember reading on the GMTV website that Daybreak was going to be more hard hitting and just "better".
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For a company that is trying to make money, to not pay much attention to the competition that clearly works and instead stubbornly sitting with a format people aren't taking to is very strange in my opinion...
I wonder if someone can find where they said Daybreak would be much more hard-hitting news-wise. I distinctly remember it because we were even suggesting it might be presented from a desk. Maybe anoilyrag who claimed BBC Breakfast ought to watch out when it was being launched can explain why this idea was ditched (assuming the source in the first place was reliable).
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You've just said in what I've quoted before that they haven't the resources to be 'hard hitting'. GMTV around 2004-2007 and then towards the end did focus on news much more than Daybreak.
In the same way as every other important story is treated. Surely people realise by now that Daybreak is NOT bbc breakfast, is NOT sky news, and doesn't try to compete and be of clone of them. Daybreak will never have the resources, the £130m/year the BBC throws at their news gathering, or the £40m/year sky throws on their loss-leader channel which they are offloading. Daybreak is a news, human interest, entertainment PROGRAMME. By all means criticise it, but trying to compare is fruitless.
For a company that is trying to make money, to not pay much attention to the competition that clearly works and instead stubbornly sitting with a format people aren't taking to is very strange in my opinion...
I wonder if someone can find where they said Daybreak would be much more hard-hitting news-wise. I distinctly remember it because we were even suggesting it might be presented from a desk. Maybe anoilyrag who claimed BBC Breakfast ought to watch out when it was being launched can explain why this idea was ditched (assuming the source in the first place was reliable).
distinctly remember reading on the GMTV website that Daybreak was going to be more hard hitting and just "better".
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You've just said in what I've quoted before that they haven't the resources to be 'hard hitting'. GMTV around 2004-2007 and then towards the end did focus on news much more than Daybreak.
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That has no relevance to ditching said item, that particular item comes where it would be good to have a repeat of the main headlines.
What the hell are you on about? 'The Guide' is sponsored, it brings in revenue, it's an earner, 30-100k a week. That is relevant.
Oh my mistake, that story that broke on Thursday morning, was at 14 minutes past the 10 o'clock news, and is limited as an active case, with the trial not starting until the AUTUMN, you expect to be covered on Daybreak tomorrow, or using your measure the producers have failed.
Muppet.
That has no relevance to ditching said item, that particular item comes where it would be good to have a repeat of the main headlines.
What the hell are you on about? 'The Guide' is sponsored, it brings in revenue, it's an earner, 30-100k a week. That is relevant.
It has been leading the national news all day, the news even 'broke' during This Morning
Oh my mistake, that story that broke on Thursday morning, was at 14 minutes past the 10 o'clock news, and is limited as an active case, with the trial not starting until the AUTUMN, you expect to be covered on Daybreak tomorrow, or using your measure the producers have failed.
Muppet.
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Lester
Founding member
Am finding Dan Lobb quite sickening with his 'womanising' persona he suddenly acquired when Daybreak started. Adrian Chiles seriously lost his mojo a long while ago.... Can he ever actually read a paragraph without repeating himself along with many errms and some more errrms.? The guy just isnt cut out for breakfast TV, it was a mistake to think otherwise. The person that has improved the most is Christine and I feel a bit sorry for the criticism she receives. She's lightweight but no worse than say Anthea Turner (loads better!) and she was deemed the darling of breakfast television in her time.
JK
I agree with what you say about Adrian. He even says himself that he's not a morning person, then why take the job of presenting Breakfast TV!? Apart from the money of course.
Am finding Dan Lobb quite sickening with his 'womanising' persona he suddenly acquired when Daybreak started. Adrian Chiles seriously lost his mojo a long while ago.... Can he ever actually read a paragraph without repeating himself along with many errms and some more errrms.? The guy just isnt cut out for breakfast TV, it was a mistake to think otherwise. The person that has improved the most is Christine and I feel a bit sorry for the criticism she receives. She's lightweight but no worse than say Anthea Turner (loads better!) and she was deemed the darling of breakfast television in her time.
I agree with what you say about Adrian. He even says himself that he's not a morning person, then why take the job of presenting Breakfast TV!? Apart from the money of course.
YO
did you get a video of it?? thanks
No London news update at 6.15. Just a loop of the Daybreak stings and music.
did you get a video of it?? thanks
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james
I don't know how long they have been like it but the graphics have lost the gradients. They are now block colour.
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They've been like that since Monday, I wonder if the Royal Wedding graphics they had last Friday had any influence? They are also ever so slightly transparent.
I don't know how long they have been like it but the graphics have lost the gradients. They are now block colour.
They've been like that since Monday, I wonder if the Royal Wedding graphics they had last Friday had any influence? They are also ever so slightly transparent.
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You jumped the gun and went straight into saying its commercial and shouldn't be dropped with no reasoning. Now you put figures there its obvious why it hasn't been dropped but there is still room to put in an update at around 20 past/10 to.
I made the post before 10pm, sadly I'm not prophetic. But for a story that Daybreak focused on quite heavily, to sweep a big development under the carpet is quite bad and to not even give it a mention after the main story.
No wonder the programme is failing if the producers share the same attitude as you. Its almost as though the producers know best, sod what the viewers want.
GMTV had a marked improvement towards the end and I was expecting it to be the pre-cursor for Daybreak and to get the audience used to the 'new' format. If you look at the final day (link, from about 50 seconds in), it had a good mix of news, lifestyle and innane features. How can anyone say Daybreak has improved content? If they kept that style, threw in a bit of sport and showbiz, it almost certainly couldn't have gone wrong.
I agree about Christine, and its easy to forget that she was one of the front runners to replace Fiona Phillips on GMTV. Had she got the job over Emma, there is no way she would have received the criticism she has got on Daybreak. Christine moving to ITV has been a good career move even with Daybreak failing. She has much more of an ITV personality and will get more jobs at ITV than she had at the BBC. I don't think she would have ever got the Olympics job, they wouldn't overlook the entire BBC Sports team in favour of a light entertainment host.
What the hell are you on about? 'The Guide' is sponsored, it brings in revenue, it's an earner, 30-100k a week. That is relevant.
You jumped the gun and went straight into saying its commercial and shouldn't be dropped with no reasoning. Now you put figures there its obvious why it hasn't been dropped but there is still room to put in an update at around 20 past/10 to.
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Oh my mistake, that story that broke on Thursday morning, was at 14 minutes past the 10 o'clock news, and is limited as an active case, with the trial not starting until the AUTUMN, you expect to be covered on Daybreak tomorrow, or using your measure the producers have failed.
Muppet.
Muppet.
I made the post before 10pm, sadly I'm not prophetic. But for a story that Daybreak focused on quite heavily, to sweep a big development under the carpet is quite bad and to not even give it a mention after the main story.
No wonder the programme is failing if the producers share the same attitude as you. Its almost as though the producers know best, sod what the viewers want.
You've just said in what I've quoted before that they haven't the resources to be 'hard hitting'. GMTV around 2004-2007 and then towards the end did focus on news much more than Daybreak.
GMTV had a marked improvement towards the end and I was expecting it to be the pre-cursor for Daybreak and to get the audience used to the 'new' format. If you look at the final day (link, from about 50 seconds in), it had a good mix of news, lifestyle and innane features. How can anyone say Daybreak has improved content? If they kept that style, threw in a bit of sport and showbiz, it almost certainly couldn't have gone wrong.
Am finding Dan Lobb quite sickening with his 'womanising' persona he suddenly acquired when Daybreak started. Adrian Chiles seriously lost his mojo a long while ago.... Can he ever actually read a paragraph without repeating himself along with many errms and some more errrms.? The guy just isnt cut out for breakfast TV, it was a mistake to think otherwise. The person that has improved the most is Christine and I feel a bit sorry for the criticism she receives. She's lightweight but no worse than say Anthea Turner (loads better!) and she was deemed the darling of breakfast television in her time.
I agree about Christine, and its easy to forget that she was one of the front runners to replace Fiona Phillips on GMTV. Had she got the job over Emma, there is no way she would have received the criticism she has got on Daybreak. Christine moving to ITV has been a good career move even with Daybreak failing. She has much more of an ITV personality and will get more jobs at ITV than she had at the BBC. I don't think she would have ever got the Olympics job, they wouldn't overlook the entire BBC Sports team in favour of a light entertainment host.
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JA
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As much as I appreciate your in depth and interesting response, I have to disagree. You look back at the last day of GMTV and they were covering Pakistan cricketing corruption, Asil Nadir, honour killing, Hurricane Earl and more as main features on the programme, not just during the news round ups and headlines.
One of the problems with Daybreak compared to say Breakfast is that everything is sooo slow. You have to wait until 6:30 for the first weather and sport bulletins, whereas on the BBC, you'll get a full round up of everything by quarter past without hearing what all the presenters think of the stories covered.
I know this is a bit of an odd response and not very in depth, but if people who work on the programme can't be bothered responding in more than 4 letters then why should I really bother?
distinctly remember reading on the GMTV website that Daybreak was going to be more hard hitting and just "better".
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As much as I appreciate your in depth and interesting response, I have to disagree. You look back at the last day of GMTV and they were covering Pakistan cricketing corruption, Asil Nadir, honour killing, Hurricane Earl and more as main features on the programme, not just during the news round ups and headlines.
One of the problems with Daybreak compared to say Breakfast is that everything is sooo slow. You have to wait until 6:30 for the first weather and sport bulletins, whereas on the BBC, you'll get a full round up of everything by quarter past without hearing what all the presenters think of the stories covered.
I know this is a bit of an odd response and not very in depth, but if people who work on the programme can't be bothered responding in more than 4 letters then why should I really bother?
JW
The length to which some members here go to defend Daybreak is nothing short of admirable. I applaud you*.
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