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harshy Founding member
Si-Co posted:
Yes, and I believe the slides were 'clean' and the YTV or TTT symbol was added live.


I can't say I was a fan of this era both Yorkshire and Tyne Tees were so different in broadcasting styles then came this merger and they started this I wished I was living in the Central region, but then I got Sky and I was in presentation heaven again.
JA
JAS84
I guess these, from 1996, were also used in both regions. The blue and yellow background is out of place with the silver Tyne Tees logo.
http://hub.tv-ark.org.uk/images/itvnortheast/itv_northeast_images/continuity/tttv_next_1993a.jpg
http://hub.tv-ark.org.uk/images/itvnortheast/itv_northeast_images/continuity/tttv_startup_1996.jpg
http://hub.tv-ark.org.uk/images/itvnortheast/itv_northeast_images/continuity/tttv_clock_1996.jpg
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A former member
YTV did use that style aswell.
SC
Si-Co
Yes, the logo was superimposed 'live' and often faded out at a different pace to the slide, often remaining on screen for a split second after the fade to black.
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ttt
Si-Co posted:
Yes, the logo was superimposed 'live' and often faded out at a different pace to the slide, often remaining on screen for a split second after the fade to black.


Tyne Tees presentation was completely automated whereas YTV's was partially manually controlled. The YTV/TTTV logo was faded in and out manually by the controller on the YTV side in sync with the rest of the continuity, so on Yorkshire the timing was perfect. On TTTV it was not.

There were a number of other artefacts to this approach as well. Continuity on Tyne Tees was frequently clipped off, or announcers left to hold for a couple of seconds after delivering their pieces. Fades between idents and programmes were also often messy, as the automated system did not seem capable of mixing the sound independently of the vision, so TTTV viewers would miss the first couple of seconds of audio of programmes (which went out on YTV with the ident hold still in vision), then the audio would be faded up with video, often with a sound glitch as the fade ended.

Generally speaking Tyne Tees output was an inconvenient afterthought to the YTV-based presentation team. Viewers in the Bilsdale area went for six months in 1993 with hard-switching between YTV and Tyne Tees output when cutting to breaks/continuity (often with digital glitches on-screen persisting for a second or more), due to testing of the automated system being run. A cue-dot on the top left of the screen was visible at all times during the day during this period, disappearing shortly after "Night Shift" began with a hard-switch part-way through the programme on-air at the time.
MK
Mr Kite
And that's a very pronounced *clunk* one can hear going into the adverts after the Next slide. in 623058's youtube video.
SC
Si-Co
And that's a very pronounced *clunk* one can hear going into the adverts after the Next slide. in 623058's youtube video.


That mic-clunk was pretty normal for Tyne Tees!
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ttt
And that's a very pronounced *clunk* one can hear going into the adverts after the Next slide. in 623058's youtube video.


Very normal for TTTV going back to the 1970s. I understand it was used as a signal to the gallery that the announcer was ready -- not intended to go out on air. Old methods (and methods built around an informal approach to presentation where the layout of a break was decided between the announcer and transmission controller shortly before it went out), never changed, and anachronistic when married to an automated playout system which simply upped the announcer's mic signal down the line from Newcastle, at a set time.
MA
mannewskev
Just happened across this endcap I haven't seen before for "Yorkshire Tyne Tees Enterprises" from 1995... (At 31 secs.)

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A former member
It seem Granada Has one other version of slides/press from Late 94. Was these used in from Sept 94 - xmas?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiJ5ra1ufIw

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A former member
New year, new details, THIS clip is said to be from Wednesday 31st of July, Thus the Yorkshire change the ident in the summer?

Wiki claims it was on On 7 January 1991 Is that even true?



and is linked to this other video.

Last edited by A former member on 2 January 2016 1:58pm
JA
JAS84
That's from AFTER the change of ident, so January may indeed be correct. TV Ark actually claims it happened in 1989, which sounds too early given the original ITV generic only launched that year.

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