Identify the correct year for the Pres.

At long last we know now what Central used during Nighttime in 1994 early 95. Its own CA.
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Yorkshire continues to have question marks: When did this logo/Front Cap start to appear in 1986? IE the for-runner to GOLD ident?

I've mentioned this frontcap before, and great to see footage of it. It must be from 1987, not 1986, and it is from the early Liquid Gold era. It's basically just a still slide and shortened fanfare which YTV added (probably live) to repeats which would have had the outdated frontcap. Probably easier (for timing and equipment reasons) than playing the full new moving frontcap.

There was another version which was the standard 82-86 logo with a blue stripe at the bottom of the screen, well underneath the word 'production'. These were only around for a short while in 1987 - by 1988 frontcaps were discontinued, so no need for this live rebadging.

Your right! double check this is on A Thursday September - December 1987!



Mind you STV repeated a single ep of Only when I laughed on, Monday, December 15, 1986 instead of "Billy Dainty, Esq" a tribute, which was networked.

Thank goodness - where would we be without question marks?

When did LWT start using this snowman for xmas pres and when did there stop using it?

http://www.tv-live.org.uk/wp/media/inthepast/lwt/1242.jpg

Dam winds

Just to say it does look very likley that Yorkshire edited the 1989 ident in early September 1991.

Here is a strange clip Friday 11th October 1996, its using Ch3 Yorkshire for its menu then uses the old 94-96 for the ident.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULwVRUDscto

Did Yorkshire Keep on using the older Idents for the rest of 96 for the news?

Think they were doing that procedure full time between September and October http://youtu.be/J6Mp1yQNNdQ?t=2m20s

Can only assume that the Yorkshire idents weren't ready but the C3 branded promos were all in the can. Also bear in mind that the Channel 3 North East branding on Tyne Tees had already been launched over a month before

Another interesting thing to point out is that the 1994 888 dog is still in use on both clips instead of the new one.

What xwing says makes sense. Are you sure you have the right date for the introduction of the Channel 3 brand on Yorkshire? It seems from your 11th October video that the [compromised] Channel 3 ident for Yorkshire still hadn't arrived. It seems likely that unlike Tyne Tees who who no longer had any real control over presentation, there was some resistance within Yorkshire over its identity being diminished. It wouldn't surprise me if an ident more or less the same as the C3NE one was scheduled to launch in September on the same day as Tyne Tees but was aborted fairly late in the process. The Channel 3-style promos were, nonetheless, launched and it took several more weeks before some sort of compromise Channel 3 ident was ready to join them. Kind of like how the generic ITV hearts promos arrived a good year before their counterpart idents; again, due to wrangling over their design and effect on the regional stations' identities.

^More or less the same as C3NE? That menu has a spinning chevron on it - it matches the ident we ended up with. There's no TTTV logo in the C3NE ident, it's obvious the chevron was never going away at that point.

Spinning chevrons are relatively easy to add. Either way, there was clearly some wrangling over the design. Poor Tyne Tees, on the other hand, was in no position to have an opinion either way.

Here is a new thing LWT slides from Early 1989: how long were there kept in use for?