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Si-Co
Just a couple of points - these may duplicate what's mentioned earlier in this thread but aren't specifically mentioned above.

Grampian - the generic ITV ident was replaced by a full-screen St Andrews Cross ident with the same music around 1998.

TTT - I think there were three versions of the 1991-92 ident, ie. it was updated twice. The new style silver TTTV one came along in Sept/Oct 1992. They never dropped IVC, just scaled it back for a while in 1990. jjne gave more details in the 'Networked ITV' thread.

YTV - Liquid Gold was introduced during Jan 1987, not 1986, I'm pretty sure. As a matter of interest, YTV had a short 'still' version of the ident, played in live at the start of some repeats. They also sometimes added a blue strip to the bottom of the old end cards (below the word 'Production', not partly behind it, as on the new graphics. Clear as mud?)
JA
JAS84
Grampian's new ident probably launched on the same day that the ITV heart trailers appeared... the change of ITV logo was the reason for the change.
SO
Steven O
623058 posted:
can anyone fill in the 4 missing gaps or make a correction?

Tyne Tees=

On 24 October 1979, the ident was modified once more to remove the word colour and to give it a more dynamic form up.
On 5 September 1988, in which the colour scheme was reversed and lighter shades of blue and yellow: Flowing Rivers" i
on Friday 1 September 1989 Tyne Tees adopted the 1989 ITV generic look.
Tyne Tees abandoned it in May 1991. for a new new ident
Updated version on Monday 6th January 1992
1992 - 1996: The silver TTTV ident was Monday 5th October 1992
Monday 2nd September 1996 Channel 3 ident:
1998 - 1999 ??

From February 1990 invision CA, was dropped from general uses but return Christmas 1990, from September 1993 until 1996 when the pres department closed completely, for 99% of all programmes IVC or a static slide were used. The generic ident were replaced with ones produced by Tyne Tees.


Bruce Gyngell reportedly wanted a Channel 3 Yorkshire, but this was refused; the station's licence was in the name of Yorkshire Television, therefore it had to remain as Yorkshire Television on-screen. The Channel 3 North East logo had to include reference to Tyne Tees Television, again due to licencing requirements. Andrew Wiseman remarked on his site at the time it happened that if the entire ITV network had adopted the Channel 3 North East model for branding then LWT would have become Channel 3 London (Weekends Only).

The Channel 3 North East 'experiment' ended on 8th March 1998 and from the following day the Tyne Tees identity was revived, with a new logo. When Granada bought YTTV duing 1997 they announced that one of the first things they intended to do was to re-instate the Tyne Tees name and branding as they weren't overly keen on the Channel 3 North East identity (and by all accounts, neither were the viewers).
Last edited by Steven O on 20 January 2013 7:08pm
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A former member
Cheers for everyone information, Keep it coming! we should have a proper complete list shortly, It could be the first time on the NET...
RI
Richard
623058 posted:
Richard posted:
ColonelRed posted:
Brekkie posted:
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ever understood really why the Border logo was dropped completely at the time of the hearts rebrand - it would have looked no worsae in a little blue box than the Granada, Tyne Tees or Yorkshire logos.


Agree with you, from what I understand, the reason to drop was the then programme controller didn't see the relevance of the logo so removed it, bit then Granada reintroduced it a couple of years later on the production slide but not the ident.


It is also worth remembering that when the logo was dropped, Border was still independent, not yet owned by Granada (or even Capital Radio) and still doing its own continuity.

Things may have been different if Granada had bought them sooner. Also, if SMG had bought them, things could have been very different.


Im lead to believe the radio company that had brought border had pre deal already in place with Granada for the tv station.


That could well be true - Border continuity went to Leeds before Granada actually bought the station.

There is an interesting website here, which used to have a simple discussion area on its Guestbook.

The guestbook isn't archived, but the rest is:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080807162835/http://www.bordertvarea.co.uk/
CR
ColonelRed
623058 posted:
Final push to get the THREE ABOVE, and this one. I have been able to point rough but its still unsure...

When 1997?
http://tv-live.org.uk/wp/media/inthepast/border/008.jpg


This wasn't 1997, it was defintely Autumn 1995.
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A former member
Wait a min, border had three ident from Sept 1995 rebrand
SO
Steven O
Richard posted:
623058 posted:
Richard posted:
ColonelRed posted:
Brekkie posted:
[quote=
ever understood really why the Border logo was dropped completely at the time of the hearts rebrand - it would have looked no worsae in a little blue box than the Granada, Tyne Tees or Yorkshire logos.


Agree with you, from what I understand, the reason to drop was the then programme controller didn't see the relevance of the logo so removed it, bit then Granada reintroduced it a couple of years later on the production slide but not the ident.


It is also worth remembering that when the logo was dropped, Border was still independent, not yet owned by Granada (or even Capital Radio) and still doing its own continuity.

Things may have been different if Granada had bought them sooner. Also, if SMG had bought them, things could have been very different.


Im lead to believe the radio company that had brought border had pre deal already in place with Granada for the tv station.


That could well be true - Border continuity went to Leeds before Granada actually bought the station.

There is an interesting website here, which used to have a simple discussion area on its Guestbook.

The guestbook isn't archived, but the rest is:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080807162835/http://www.bordertvarea.co.uk/


Capital bought Border TV primarily for its radio division, it was always the intention to sell the television side off to Granada and this had been pre-agreed beforehand. Remember that Granada had been involved with Border's playout and advertising since the early-90s. IVC on Border at weekends was dropped in October 1998 and on weekdays with effect from 8 November 1999, the same day that the ITV "hearts" corporate branding was introduced. This also meant the end of the Border 'Chopsticks' logo on-screen after 38 years, although it did briefly reappear at the end of local programmes after the takeover by Granada.
CR
ColonelRed
623058 posted:
Wait a min, border had three ident from Sept 1995 rebrand


That's right, the plain light blue slate one was in place in August, the two moving blue ones were introduced in September 1995 and replaced the light blue slate one.
JO
Johnny83
623058 posted:


London Weekend Television

First Ident
In 1969 poind Coin
In 1971 First LWT River ident
in 1978 updated LWT river ident
LWT dropped in-vision announcers in January 1983, and in September that year introduced a new local, animated ident, bearing the slogan 'Your Weekend ITV' for voice announcements
On 29th August 1986 first Computer Ident
On 1st September 1989 ITV ident ( Brought back the 86 ident for locl show in 90-92)
On 4th September 1992, replaced the ITV ident
On 30 August 1996, updated IDENT proof http://www.designweek.co.uk/news/lwt-airs-new-logo-and-idents/1102781.article


You've got one LWT's 1990's idents missing:



Introduced in 1994 I believe but didn't last long (certainly remember the 1992 & 1996 one staying around a lot longer) oddly enough it seems to get forgotten about quite often but then again it's a quick blink & you'll miss it style ident.
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A former member
Was that introduced to work along with the 1992 ident? any idea when In 1994 it come about?

Quote:
The ident, called 'flare' was introduced and used in tandem with 'flying blocks'

is that True?
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JO
Johnny83
623058 posted:
Was that introduced to work along with the 1992 ident? any idea when In 1994 it come about?

Quote:
The ident, called 'flare' was introduced and used in tandem with 'flying blocks'

is that True?


It may have run along side the 1992 one, I certainly remember the 1992 one more than the 1994 one, although I remember the 1986 more than both of them. The 1996 one still looks great IMO and probably could have survived until LWT's last day on air. To be honest I thought most of LWT's ident packages looked great, shame they cut back on so much come 1998 (when they started using the ITV 89 trailers before the hearts logo was introduced during 1998).

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