DV
Wouldn't surprise me to see him take the top job at ITV sooner rather than later. Crozier's been in post long enough 5+ years, the arresting of market share loss in the UK must be becoming a critical board discussion there, despite profit rises.
TR
A great relief for most people at the BBC - other than his own 'in house' PR Dept. who will hopefully follow him very quickly. After briefing against the DG over Top Gear & the celebrity letter fiasco he had to go - pity it took so long.
Now he's out of the way lets hope James Harding is given the shove before he destroys any more of BBC News
Now he's out of the way lets hope James Harding is given the shove before he destroys any more of BBC News
OM
I guess it's ironic for someone who must have a lot of political nous to rise as fast as he has done (without, as many like to point out, having ever made a TV programme) to end up leaving the BBC for falling foul of internal politics.
SR
Danny Cohen... good riddance to bad rubbish.
I hope not.
So you believe in discrimination then?
Indeed will somebody please think of the poor white male comedians who never seem to get any tv exposure...
Selection of comedians for these programmes should be done on merit alone, even if that results in an entirely white-male panel. You cannot claim to be a supporter of equal rights when you deliberately favour someone because of their race, gender, or sexuality.
The disgusting practice of Tokenism is itself Racist/Sexist discrimination regardless of the supposed "positive" outcome. Those who use it are basically implying that the individuals favoured would not normally have met the grade and thus need a bit of extra help. I'm pretty certain that every single comedian wants to get more exposure because they are good at their job, and not because of the need to meet some backward PC multy culty quota.
Will this see the end of tokenism on the panel shows?
I hope not.
So you believe in discrimination then?
Indeed will somebody please think of the poor white male comedians who never seem to get any tv exposure...
Selection of comedians for these programmes should be done on merit alone, even if that results in an entirely white-male panel. You cannot claim to be a supporter of equal rights when you deliberately favour someone because of their race, gender, or sexuality.
The disgusting practice of Tokenism is itself Racist/Sexist discrimination regardless of the supposed "positive" outcome. Those who use it are basically implying that the individuals favoured would not normally have met the grade and thus need a bit of extra help. I'm pretty certain that every single comedian wants to get more exposure because they are good at their job, and not because of the need to meet some backward PC multy culty quota.
JC
Sure. Because all those white guys get on those panel shows on merit alone. That's exactly how it works.
Danny Cohen... good riddance to bad rubbish.
I hope not.
So you believe in discrimination then?
Indeed will somebody please think of the poor white male comedians who never seem to get any tv exposure...
Selection of comedians for these programmes should be done on merit alone, even if that results in an entirely white-male panel.
Will this see the end of tokenism on the panel shows?
I hope not.
So you believe in discrimination then?
Indeed will somebody please think of the poor white male comedians who never seem to get any tv exposure...
Selection of comedians for these programmes should be done on merit alone, even if that results in an entirely white-male panel.
Sure. Because all those white guys get on those panel shows on merit alone. That's exactly how it works.
BA
Affirmative action, positive racism, and positive sexism, is illegal in the UK, except in very specific cases where there is a proven case of previous discrimination preventing people with certain characteristics from entering into certain professions and positions.
Ultimately, it can't be denied that there is a dearth of comedians who aren't white and male; the BBC would do well to encourage people from all walks of life into entering comedy as a profession.
Danny Cohen... good riddance to bad rubbish.
I hope not.
So you believe in discrimination then?
Indeed will somebody please think of the poor white male comedians who never seem to get any tv exposure...
Selection of comedians for these programmes should be done on merit alone, even if that results in an entirely white-male panel. You cannot claim to be a supporter of equal rights when you deliberately favour someone because of their race, gender, or sexuality.
The disgusting practice of Tokenism is itself Racist/Sexist discrimination regardless of the supposed "positive" outcome. Those who use it are basically implying that the individuals favoured would not normally have met the grade and thus need a bit of extra help. I'm pretty certain that every single comedian wants to get more exposure because they are good at their job, and not because of the need to meet some backward PC multy culty quota.
Will this see the end of tokenism on the panel shows?
I hope not.
So you believe in discrimination then?
Indeed will somebody please think of the poor white male comedians who never seem to get any tv exposure...
Selection of comedians for these programmes should be done on merit alone, even if that results in an entirely white-male panel. You cannot claim to be a supporter of equal rights when you deliberately favour someone because of their race, gender, or sexuality.
The disgusting practice of Tokenism is itself Racist/Sexist discrimination regardless of the supposed "positive" outcome. Those who use it are basically implying that the individuals favoured would not normally have met the grade and thus need a bit of extra help. I'm pretty certain that every single comedian wants to get more exposure because they are good at their job, and not because of the need to meet some backward PC multy culty quota.
Affirmative action, positive racism, and positive sexism, is illegal in the UK, except in very specific cases where there is a proven case of previous discrimination preventing people with certain characteristics from entering into certain professions and positions.
Ultimately, it can't be denied that there is a dearth of comedians who aren't white and male; the BBC would do well to encourage people from all walks of life into entering comedy as a profession.
WH
Affirmative action, positive racism, and positive sexism, is illegal in the UK, except in very specific cases where there is a proven case of previous discrimination preventing people with certain characteristics from entering into certain professions and positions.
Ultimately, it can't be denied that there is a dearth of comedians who aren't white and male; the BBC would do well to encourage people from all walks of life into entering comedy as a profession.
I don't think the laws regarding discrimination can really cover the sort of contracts we're talking about here can they? On the basis that creative decisions are taken based on what would make the best television? It's not employment law when you're choosing the talent for a programme.
Whataday
Founding member
Danny Cohen... good riddance to bad rubbish.
I hope not.
So you believe in discrimination then?
Indeed will somebody please think of the poor white male comedians who never seem to get any tv exposure...
Selection of comedians for these programmes should be done on merit alone, even if that results in an entirely white-male panel. You cannot claim to be a supporter of equal rights when you deliberately favour someone because of their race, gender, or sexuality.
The disgusting practice of Tokenism is itself Racist/Sexist discrimination regardless of the supposed "positive" outcome. Those who use it are basically implying that the individuals favoured would not normally have met the grade and thus need a bit of extra help. I'm pretty certain that every single comedian wants to get more exposure because they are good at their job, and not because of the need to meet some backward PC multy culty quota.
Will this see the end of tokenism on the panel shows?
I hope not.
So you believe in discrimination then?
Indeed will somebody please think of the poor white male comedians who never seem to get any tv exposure...
Selection of comedians for these programmes should be done on merit alone, even if that results in an entirely white-male panel. You cannot claim to be a supporter of equal rights when you deliberately favour someone because of their race, gender, or sexuality.
The disgusting practice of Tokenism is itself Racist/Sexist discrimination regardless of the supposed "positive" outcome. Those who use it are basically implying that the individuals favoured would not normally have met the grade and thus need a bit of extra help. I'm pretty certain that every single comedian wants to get more exposure because they are good at their job, and not because of the need to meet some backward PC multy culty quota.
Affirmative action, positive racism, and positive sexism, is illegal in the UK, except in very specific cases where there is a proven case of previous discrimination preventing people with certain characteristics from entering into certain professions and positions.
Ultimately, it can't be denied that there is a dearth of comedians who aren't white and male; the BBC would do well to encourage people from all walks of life into entering comedy as a profession.
I don't think the laws regarding discrimination can really cover the sort of contracts we're talking about here can they? On the basis that creative decisions are taken based on what would make the best television? It's not employment law when you're choosing the talent for a programme.
BA
Affirmative action, positive racism, and positive sexism, is illegal in the UK, except in very specific cases where there is a proven case of previous discrimination preventing people with certain characteristics from entering into certain professions and positions.
Ultimately, it can't be denied that there is a dearth of comedians who aren't white and male; the BBC would do well to encourage people from all walks of life into entering comedy as a profession.
I don't think the laws regarding discrimination can really cover the sort of contracts we're talking about here can they? On the basis that creative decisions are taken based on what would make the best television? It's not employment law when you're choosing the talent for a programme.
The Equality Act 2010 isn't just in reference to employment.
The onus is on the alleged discriminator to prove that what they did was justified.
Danny Cohen... good riddance to bad rubbish.
I hope not.
So you believe in discrimination then?
Indeed will somebody please think of the poor white male comedians who never seem to get any tv exposure...
Selection of comedians for these programmes should be done on merit alone, even if that results in an entirely white-male panel. You cannot claim to be a supporter of equal rights when you deliberately favour someone because of their race, gender, or sexuality.
The disgusting practice of Tokenism is itself Racist/Sexist discrimination regardless of the supposed "positive" outcome. Those who use it are basically implying that the individuals favoured would not normally have met the grade and thus need a bit of extra help. I'm pretty certain that every single comedian wants to get more exposure because they are good at their job, and not because of the need to meet some backward PC multy culty quota.
Will this see the end of tokenism on the panel shows?
I hope not.
So you believe in discrimination then?
Indeed will somebody please think of the poor white male comedians who never seem to get any tv exposure...
Selection of comedians for these programmes should be done on merit alone, even if that results in an entirely white-male panel. You cannot claim to be a supporter of equal rights when you deliberately favour someone because of their race, gender, or sexuality.
The disgusting practice of Tokenism is itself Racist/Sexist discrimination regardless of the supposed "positive" outcome. Those who use it are basically implying that the individuals favoured would not normally have met the grade and thus need a bit of extra help. I'm pretty certain that every single comedian wants to get more exposure because they are good at their job, and not because of the need to meet some backward PC multy culty quota.
Affirmative action, positive racism, and positive sexism, is illegal in the UK, except in very specific cases where there is a proven case of previous discrimination preventing people with certain characteristics from entering into certain professions and positions.
Ultimately, it can't be denied that there is a dearth of comedians who aren't white and male; the BBC would do well to encourage people from all walks of life into entering comedy as a profession.
I don't think the laws regarding discrimination can really cover the sort of contracts we're talking about here can they? On the basis that creative decisions are taken based on what would make the best television? It's not employment law when you're choosing the talent for a programme.
The Equality Act 2010 isn't just in reference to employment.
The onus is on the alleged discriminator to prove that what they did was justified.
SR
Affirmative action, positive racism, and positive sexism, is illegal in the UK, except in very specific cases where there is a proven case of previous discrimination preventing people with certain characteristics from entering into certain professions and positions.
Ultimately, it can't be denied that there is a dearth of comedians who aren't white and male; the BBC would do well to encourage people from all walks of life into entering comedy as a profession.
Agreed.
I would like to add though. Deliberate or not, it does seem like most panel shows very rarely include more than one token per episode. Which begs the question: if there is a dearth of comedians who aren't white and male, and no discrimination is taking place, why do we not see more of them?
Danny Cohen... good riddance to bad rubbish.
I hope not.
So you believe in discrimination then?
Indeed will somebody please think of the poor white male comedians who never seem to get any tv exposure...
Selection of comedians for these programmes should be done on merit alone, even if that results in an entirely white-male panel. You cannot claim to be a supporter of equal rights when you deliberately favour someone because of their race, gender, or sexuality.
The disgusting practice of Tokenism is itself Racist/Sexist discrimination regardless of the supposed "positive" outcome. Those who use it are basically implying that the individuals favoured would not normally have met the grade and thus need a bit of extra help. I'm pretty certain that every single comedian wants to get more exposure because they are good at their job, and not because of the need to meet some backward PC multy culty quota.
Will this see the end of tokenism on the panel shows?
I hope not.
So you believe in discrimination then?
Indeed will somebody please think of the poor white male comedians who never seem to get any tv exposure...
Selection of comedians for these programmes should be done on merit alone, even if that results in an entirely white-male panel. You cannot claim to be a supporter of equal rights when you deliberately favour someone because of their race, gender, or sexuality.
The disgusting practice of Tokenism is itself Racist/Sexist discrimination regardless of the supposed "positive" outcome. Those who use it are basically implying that the individuals favoured would not normally have met the grade and thus need a bit of extra help. I'm pretty certain that every single comedian wants to get more exposure because they are good at their job, and not because of the need to meet some backward PC multy culty quota.
Affirmative action, positive racism, and positive sexism, is illegal in the UK, except in very specific cases where there is a proven case of previous discrimination preventing people with certain characteristics from entering into certain professions and positions.
Ultimately, it can't be denied that there is a dearth of comedians who aren't white and male; the BBC would do well to encourage people from all walks of life into entering comedy as a profession.
Agreed.
I would like to add though. Deliberate or not, it does seem like most panel shows very rarely include more than one token per episode. Which begs the question: if there is a dearth of comedians who aren't white and male, and no discrimination is taking place, why do we not see more of them?
WH
Affirmative action, positive racism, and positive sexism, is illegal in the UK, except in very specific cases where there is a proven case of previous discrimination preventing people with certain characteristics from entering into certain professions and positions.
Ultimately, it can't be denied that there is a dearth of comedians who aren't white and male; the BBC would do well to encourage people from all walks of life into entering comedy as a profession.
I don't think the laws regarding discrimination can really cover the sort of contracts we're talking about here can they? On the basis that creative decisions are taken based on what would make the best television? It's not employment law when you're choosing the talent for a programme.
The Equality Act 2010 isn't just in reference to employment.
The onus is on the alleged discriminator to prove that what they did was justified.
I've had a scan through said act and can't really find anything that would bring action against, say the BBC for choosing to have a black comic on Mock The Week instead of a white comic.
Whataday
Founding member
Danny Cohen... good riddance to bad rubbish.
I hope not.
So you believe in discrimination then?
Indeed will somebody please think of the poor white male comedians who never seem to get any tv exposure...
Selection of comedians for these programmes should be done on merit alone, even if that results in an entirely white-male panel. You cannot claim to be a supporter of equal rights when you deliberately favour someone because of their race, gender, or sexuality.
The disgusting practice of Tokenism is itself Racist/Sexist discrimination regardless of the supposed "positive" outcome. Those who use it are basically implying that the individuals favoured would not normally have met the grade and thus need a bit of extra help. I'm pretty certain that every single comedian wants to get more exposure because they are good at their job, and not because of the need to meet some backward PC multy culty quota.
Will this see the end of tokenism on the panel shows?
I hope not.
So you believe in discrimination then?
Indeed will somebody please think of the poor white male comedians who never seem to get any tv exposure...
Selection of comedians for these programmes should be done on merit alone, even if that results in an entirely white-male panel. You cannot claim to be a supporter of equal rights when you deliberately favour someone because of their race, gender, or sexuality.
The disgusting practice of Tokenism is itself Racist/Sexist discrimination regardless of the supposed "positive" outcome. Those who use it are basically implying that the individuals favoured would not normally have met the grade and thus need a bit of extra help. I'm pretty certain that every single comedian wants to get more exposure because they are good at their job, and not because of the need to meet some backward PC multy culty quota.
Affirmative action, positive racism, and positive sexism, is illegal in the UK, except in very specific cases where there is a proven case of previous discrimination preventing people with certain characteristics from entering into certain professions and positions.
Ultimately, it can't be denied that there is a dearth of comedians who aren't white and male; the BBC would do well to encourage people from all walks of life into entering comedy as a profession.
I don't think the laws regarding discrimination can really cover the sort of contracts we're talking about here can they? On the basis that creative decisions are taken based on what would make the best television? It's not employment law when you're choosing the talent for a programme.
The Equality Act 2010 isn't just in reference to employment.
The onus is on the alleged discriminator to prove that what they did was justified.
I've had a scan through said act and can't really find anything that would bring action against, say the BBC for choosing to have a black comic on Mock The Week instead of a white comic.
BA
Affirmative action, positive racism, and positive sexism, is illegal in the UK, except in very specific cases where there is a proven case of previous discrimination preventing people with certain characteristics from entering into certain professions and positions.
Ultimately, it can't be denied that there is a dearth of comedians who aren't white and male; the BBC would do well to encourage people from all walks of life into entering comedy as a profession.
I don't think the laws regarding discrimination can really cover the sort of contracts we're talking about here can they? On the basis that creative decisions are taken based on what would make the best television? It's not employment law when you're choosing the talent for a programme.
The Equality Act 2010 isn't just in reference to employment.
The onus is on the alleged discriminator to prove that what they did was justified.
I've had a scan through said act and can't really find anything that would bring action against, say the BBC for choosing to have a black comic on Mock The Week instead of a white comic.
Well it doesn't need to be specific. It is a law that bans discrimination of a number of protected characteristics, that's it.
The TV exemption you're thinking of applies to choosing, say, a Chinese woman to play the role of a Chinese woman - not as a general blanket exemption because a person with a certain protected characteristic would somehow be worse in that role for purely that reason (which is obviously nonsense).
Danny Cohen... good riddance to bad rubbish.
I hope not.
So you believe in discrimination then?
Indeed will somebody please think of the poor white male comedians who never seem to get any tv exposure...
Selection of comedians for these programmes should be done on merit alone, even if that results in an entirely white-male panel. You cannot claim to be a supporter of equal rights when you deliberately favour someone because of their race, gender, or sexuality.
The disgusting practice of Tokenism is itself Racist/Sexist discrimination regardless of the supposed "positive" outcome. Those who use it are basically implying that the individuals favoured would not normally have met the grade and thus need a bit of extra help. I'm pretty certain that every single comedian wants to get more exposure because they are good at their job, and not because of the need to meet some backward PC multy culty quota.
Will this see the end of tokenism on the panel shows?
I hope not.
So you believe in discrimination then?
Indeed will somebody please think of the poor white male comedians who never seem to get any tv exposure...
Selection of comedians for these programmes should be done on merit alone, even if that results in an entirely white-male panel. You cannot claim to be a supporter of equal rights when you deliberately favour someone because of their race, gender, or sexuality.
The disgusting practice of Tokenism is itself Racist/Sexist discrimination regardless of the supposed "positive" outcome. Those who use it are basically implying that the individuals favoured would not normally have met the grade and thus need a bit of extra help. I'm pretty certain that every single comedian wants to get more exposure because they are good at their job, and not because of the need to meet some backward PC multy culty quota.
Affirmative action, positive racism, and positive sexism, is illegal in the UK, except in very specific cases where there is a proven case of previous discrimination preventing people with certain characteristics from entering into certain professions and positions.
Ultimately, it can't be denied that there is a dearth of comedians who aren't white and male; the BBC would do well to encourage people from all walks of life into entering comedy as a profession.
I don't think the laws regarding discrimination can really cover the sort of contracts we're talking about here can they? On the basis that creative decisions are taken based on what would make the best television? It's not employment law when you're choosing the talent for a programme.
The Equality Act 2010 isn't just in reference to employment.
The onus is on the alleged discriminator to prove that what they did was justified.
I've had a scan through said act and can't really find anything that would bring action against, say the BBC for choosing to have a black comic on Mock The Week instead of a white comic.
Well it doesn't need to be specific. It is a law that bans discrimination of a number of protected characteristics, that's it.
The TV exemption you're thinking of applies to choosing, say, a Chinese woman to play the role of a Chinese woman - not as a general blanket exemption because a person with a certain protected characteristic would somehow be worse in that role for purely that reason (which is obviously nonsense).