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fanoftv
What helped DOI first time around was having the break with a strong performer in Wild at Heart sitting in the middle of the main show and results shows, it meant that there wasn’t so much padding in the show as shown now whilst they wait for viewers votes to come in.
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brioalex
What helped DOI first time around was having the break with a strong performer in Wild at Heart sitting in the middle of the main show and results shows, it meant that there wasn’t so much padding in the show as shown now whilst they wait for viewers votes to come in.


Absolutely! It created a Sunday night of TV on ITV that viewers watched right through from 6:30pm to 10pm.
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The problem is back when they did a separate results show the show was far more popular than it is now. Back then DOI was ITV's big Sunday night show in Q1, whereas now the 2 hour dramas (which they've had fewer of this year but should be back to normal next year) get higher ratings.

I also don't think that's the cause of the padding problems. The Voice and Celebrity X Factor manage(d) to do 'all in one' shows with the results integrated and not feel padded (rushed if anything). A lot of the padding in DOI is between the performances rather than during the voting period.

As for Millionaire, yes they used to change the running time all the time but that was 20 years ago in a very different era of TV and back when it was a massive event show. It would not be beneficial to Millionaire to do that now, but regardless of that, Millionaire won't be on after DOI next year anyway, it'll be back to Vera etc.
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iloveTV1
If they don’t have a programme that can variably change lengths afterwards then I don’t see them being able to shorten episodes of this depending on how many couples there are.

There are really two options, the first is to start at a different time each week, which is confusing for casual viewers, or to start the programme after at a different time each week, which isn’t a massive problem for a Gameshow but is for a drama, and whatever they air, if the start time for the preceding programme is different each week, the News at 10 won’t be at 10 for the whole run of Dancing on Ice.

Here’s what I think would be an ideal episode length for Dancing on Ice:

Episode 1 - 100 minutes
Episode 2 - 100 minutes
Episode 3 - 130 minutes
Episode 4 - 120 minutes
Episode 5 - 110 minutes
Episode 6 - 105 minutes
Episode 7 - 95 minutes
Episode 8 - 95 minutes
Episode 9 - 110 minutes
Episode 10 - 120 minutes

They only really get away with starting a programme at a different time each week on Saturdays, and even then ITV do that at their own risk, as these days The Masked Singer, The Voice UK and even BGT (the episodes that air on Saturday at least) all largely air at the same time (7pm, 8.30pm, 8pm respectively).

And bear in mind I don’t expect them to do this, I fully anticipate 2 hour episodes again if there is another series next year, as it’s been that way since 2013 I think from memory (although the show did air in two parts back then).
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UBox
What helped DOI first time around was having the break with a strong performer in Wild at Heart sitting in the middle of the main show and results shows, it meant that there wasn’t so much padding in the show as shown now whilst they wait for viewers votes to come in.

You took the words right out of my mind there. Go back to 2012 and DOI with Wild at Heart sandwiched between was a great combination.

After the format for the last 4 years I actually think reverting to the -2014 format would make it feel fresher. Phil and Holly both hosting everything doesn't really make sense - it worked better with one doing the bit with the judges as Strictly still do. Move Torvill and Dean back to the head coaches role and bring back some of the old panel (Robin Cousins, Nicky Slater, Karen Barber) or even some of the pros who've now left (Brianne, Frankie, etc.). Ashley Banjo is one of the only things about the refresh that has worked - he's a breath of fresh air and he knows what he's talking about (unlike when they got Ashley Roberts who was a duck out of water judging figure skating).

A lot of people have said they think the rink looks smaller, it's definitely bigger but the studio itself looks so much bigger when we see the audience on the steadicam shots. They could just flip the side the cameras are on and it'd be a massive improvement for me!
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They don't need to change the episode lengths every week, just do a better job of filling the time. Get all couples on the ice from week 1 and get them doing two routines a week earlier than they currently do.

I'd say 2 hours is fine for shows with 7 or more couples competing. So my suggestions above would mean 2 hours would be fine for all episodes except the show with 6 couples. Now they could avoid that by timing the double elimination for the week with 7 couples so they'd go straight from 7 to 5 (and then skating twice). Or alternatively bring back the team challenge they did for a few years in the original run.

Agree the judges need to change and Torvill & Dean moved off the panel (tough luck if it's seen as a demotion, the show isn't working and needs to come ahead of any individuals on it). I'd probably say bring Jason Gardiner (or equivalent 'nasty' judge) and Nicky Slater back, keep Ashley Banjo and then bring in a female skater for the fourth seat (possibly an old pro, maybe Frankie?).

Phillip and Holly are fine but don't need to be joined at the hip for the whole show. Let them move around. Assuming they're allowed an audience next year, re-design the set so the audience is all around the rink again, with the judges sat alongside the rink like in the first few years rather than at the far end.
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Brekkie
Always thought Frankie would make a good judge as she was never afraid to speak up. The clip show highlighted how much they missed Jason but I think I'd rather they looked elsewhere for a "new Jason" rather than keep hiring and firing him.

If Chris and Jayne moved to a mentoring role again you could get away with 3 judges, then comment from T&D. Robin, Frankie and either Jason or Ashley would probably work. James Jordan would be an option too. If they needed to keep T&D happy with a bit of power they could work it like the Andrew Lloyd Webber shows used to and have Torvill & Dean alone decide who goes. As I think they've agreed on every vote ever that shouldn't be an issue.

Agree set design is key - just make it more visually interesting. Even just a rostrum where Holly and Phil stand to make it look like a stage rather than them just standing by the judges desks would be a start.
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I'd probably go for Nicky Slater over Robin. Robin was, much like Jayne & Chris, a bit dull. Nicky could be a bit daft at times but was never afraid to get into an argument with Jason or speak up for himself. James Jordan I think would just be like a less charismatic Jason, agree on the hiring and firing but they shouldn't have fired him in the first place.

Interesting (and I think quite good) idea about T&D playing an Andrew Lloyd Webber role. You've hit on one of the biggest problems with them being on the panel - they agree all the time. So it's like having one dull judge and hearing from them twice as much as the others.

Yeah I can see why they didn't change the set this year of all years but definitely needs looking at. Set, lighting, pacing, judges, role of hosts...yep, this show needs a revamp!
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Brekkie
I just think if they take T&D off the panel they need a respected name on it, and Robin Cousins outweighs Nicky all the time, although I did like Nicky myself but I think he did play the scoring system a bit in the early days knowing if he threw in a low mark he'd get to comment in the days when they usually only talked to 2 or 3 of the 5 judges for each performance.

Ultimately though it isn't about the individuals - it's about how the panel works as a group. Robin/Karen/Ashley Roberts/Jason worked for the last couple of years originally as each bought something different, and although T&D have always been viewed as below par judges I think as a panel it seemed to work much better with Jason & Ashley than it does with Ashley & John as they needed Jason's attitude to balance out the niceness at the other end. I think another woman on the panel would probably bring more out of Jayne as well - Denise Van Outen actually judged on the tour one year and maybe would have been a better hire as a judge rather than a contestant - although preferbly they'd follow Strictly's lead and look for respected people within the industry rather than names.

Absolutely agree though that there is no show which seems more deserving of a revamp than DoI - and unlike most it wouldn't be change for changes sake. It really is needed.
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JKDerry
For once I find myself agreeing wholeheartedly with Brekkie on this. DOI needs a decent revamp for 2022, and the judging panel is key to the revamp.
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Jonwo
For once I find myself agreeing wholeheartedly with Brekkie on this. DOI needs a decent revamp for 2021, and the judging panel is key to the revamp.


A bit late for a revamp in 2021 given the show won't be back after this series until next year!
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JKDerry
Jonwo posted:
For once I find myself agreeing wholeheartedly with Brekkie on this. DOI needs a decent revamp for 2021, and the judging panel is key to the revamp.


A bit late for a revamp in 2021 given the show won't be back after this series until next year!

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