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The dancers on BBC1

(July 2005)

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beefqueen
marksi posted:
Johnny83 posted:
I've noticed the "African" one has been aired quite alot recently. But IMHO doesn't really work at all.

The problem with live action idents with people in them is they date quickly (hair, fashion, etc.)


Yes, those African fashions have changed dramatically in the last 18 months.


It's a good point though: for example, in the Capoeira ident there's no sign in the London cityscape of the erotic gherkin. Pedantic, perhaps, but it makes it quite easy to date and shows that they haven't attempted to update them.
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Ruski
beefqueen posted:
marksi posted:
Johnny83 posted:
I've noticed the "African" one has been aired quite alot recently. But IMHO doesn't really work at all.

The problem with live action idents with people in them is they date quickly (hair, fashion, etc.)


Yes, those African fashions have changed dramatically in the last 18 months.


It's a good point though: for example, in the Capoeira ident there's no sign in the London cityscape of the erotic gherkin. Pedantic, perhaps, but it makes it quite easy to date and shows that they haven't attempted to update them.


.... Did i say my favourite is Hip Hop
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Pootle5
As I understand it, this Forum was specifically set up to discuss TV presentation, hence the Home page reads, "Welcome to the TV Home Forum, discussing television presentation and related topics".

So the "BBC1 dancers" is a legitimate thread, not a "silly one"; there are plenty of those and I choose not to look at them!

I'm hoping the replacement will be sooner rather than later as the current idents (and jingle) have always grated on me. I'd like to see a return to the 1980s/early 90's approach where there was one main ident - the COW and then "swirly" globe (is there an "official name for this one?) - And then for trailers, menus etc there were variations on the style that changed with the season, or just when the others got tired. I used to like the plethora of different ways the "1" was used pre-balloon for example. So there was opportunity to "refresh" more often.

I guess this approach would cost more long term and blur brand awareness maybe?
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Spencer
Hymagumba posted:
Well I hope they go out with Skateboard as I think it is the only one that has any class or originality about it.


Sorry, but I've never seen the attraction of Skateboard. It just looks a bit grim and depressing to me having been filmed on a dull day in a grimy shipyard. The only good thing about it is the music, which is rather reminiscent of that from the balloons idents

I much prefer Capoeira which is really rather nicely shot and has more visual impact.

(BTW, something I've been wondering ever since it launched but have been too shy to ask... How is 'Capoeira' actually pronounced?)
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r2ro
It may not be the BBC One dancers but we've just had Ice Cube (the Christmas/Summer Ident) on BBC Two at 15.30. I would have also thought that Snowflake (the BBC One Christmas Ident) would have been used earlier on in the year when it was snowing and when BBC Two used their snowman ident.

As for the post on the pronunciation of 'Capoeira', I'd say it would be pronounced - ka-pee-ra
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Pete Founding member
Spencer For Hire posted:
Sorry, but I've never seen the attraction of Skateboard. It just looks a bit grim and depressing to me having been filmed on a dull day in a grimy shipyard. The only good thing about it is the music, which is rather reminiscent of that from the balloons idents


It would have been nicer in a different location true, the thing I like about it is how the music and the way it is filmed is totally different to what one would expect from a "skateboarding" ident.
SJ
sjhoward
There was a piece about the idents in yesterday's Indy, but it doesn't really add much... I've quoted it because it will be reg only after tomorrow:
The Independent posted:
Strictly Done Dancing: BBC1 boss hints show is over for ballet company and friends

They were meant to be symbols of BBC1's commitment to multiculturalism, sports and the arts; there was the dreadlocked basketball player in his Paralympic wheelchair, the white guys doing capoeira on the roof and the ballet dancers in their Lycra.

The trouble was that instead of encouraging inclusivity, the only feeling of unity produced by these BBC1 "idents" (branding) seemed to be an almost universal sense of annoyance among the viewing public.

Yesterday, the new controller of BBC1 indicated the show was over for the dancers, who have become a between-programme feature of the corporation's flagship channel for more than three years. Asked about the future marketing of BBC1, the channel's new head, Peter Fincham signalled that fresh idents were in the offing. He said: "That is something we are looking at. They came on air in March 2002 and it may well be that the time is coming when we look at a new way of doing BBC1 idents."

The dancers were introduced at a cost of more than £700,000 as a replacement for the previous BBC1 symbol of a spinning globe, prompting the then Channel 4 chief executive, Mark Thompson, to complain that the BBC was "basking in a Jacuzzi of spare public cash". Mr Thompson is now director general of the BBC.

When the dancers were introduced they were greeted with howls of cynicism. "Only a publicly funded committee could have devised such a well-meaningly fatuous vignette," said one commentator in the London Evening Standard of the disabled basketball players. "If they play that ident 10 times a day for the rest of the year ... they can claim that they've fulfiled their obligations to provide several hours of ethnic and disability programming."

Changing the idents will be a way for Mr Fincham to stamp his authority on BBC1, which was named Channel of the Year on Saturday - partly because of the popularity of a series of programmes based on dancing.

Mr Fincham today outlines his vision for the future of Britain's most important television channel in The Independent's MediaWeekly, his first newspaper interview since taking on his new role.
Yesterday he addressed members of the broadcasting industry at the Edinburgh International Television Festival, revealing that BBC1 is to embark on one of the biggest productions in its programming history by making a landmark television series to mark the 150th anniversary of the publication of Charles Darwin's classic tome, On the Origin of Species.

The project is Mr Fincham's first major production commission and the controller said he had given the go-ahead for the series within days of taking up his post in March.

Mr Fincham said: "In almost my first week in the job I was presented with a proposal to make an enormously ambitious series, Origin of Species. This will be a series with the breadth of ambition of the best that BBC1 has done. It's The Blue Planet and more."

The series, which will run to at least eight parts, is being made by the BBC's Natural History Unit and will not be screened until 2009, the 150th anniversary of the publication of On the Origin of Species, in which Darwin promoted the theory of evolution. The classic treatise was published after Darwin returned from his round-the-world travels as a naturalist on board HMS Beagle.

The new controller also signalled he would not be bowing to pressure to make BBC1 "repeat-free" by the end of the decade, saying research had shown that such a process would cost £100m. He said that he was dissatisfied with the "docu-soaps" that were frequently being screened on BBC1 during the early evening, describing such shows as a "relatively passive experience" for viewers who now expected more from broadcasters.

He promised to put more resources into finding better comedy and improving comedy drama and he said BBC1 should avoid a mind-set of continually competing for ratings with its traditional rival, ITV1. "The notion that BBC1 and ITV1 are like blinkered horses in a horse race looking over their shoulders at each other is an out-of-date notion," he said. "The competition for eye-balls is much more complex."
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Johnny83
marksi posted:
Johnny83 posted:
I've noticed the "African" one has been aired quite alot recently. But IMHO doesn't really work at all.

The problem with live action idents with people in them is they date quickly (hair, fashion, etc.)


Yes, those African fashions have changed dramatically in the last 18 months.


African one excluded of course.
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Wicko
I actually think that they could get rid of the dancers tomorrow and as an interim ident until the 2008 BBC rebrand, they could usae the best from BBC America idents. The BBC1 red box could easily adapt to this format.
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Johnny83
The replacement will (predictably & most likely) be some kind of stylised "1". I'm surprised the "1" from the 1991 logo wasn't carried forward onto the balloon
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cylon6
Johnny83 posted:
The replacement will (predictably & most likely) be some kind of stylised "1". I'm surprised the "1" from the 1991 logo wasn't carried forward onto the balloon


Yes thank you somebody else agrees with me!!! That '1' was very distinctive and that became more of a symbol for BBC1 between 1991 and 1997. They did so much with it and it could have become iconic like the '2' no imagination these people.
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A former member
why can't they keep the dancer!, and SAVE the money for better uses like GIVING us a cheaper TV FEE or
better still go back to the big ballon ideant

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