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(July 2005)

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Paul Clark
Antz posted:
duke1401 posted:
It is the better music of the two IMO, but one thing that's baffled me -- if the original track was pulled due to copyright infringement (that was the rumour), why is Scotland still using it?

Another reason I've heard, is that the version Network has now, was the planned original, but it wasn't ready for the ident launch, so library music was used.

There is some logic in the copyright rumour, in that the original music seems quite sample-heavy. But it's anyone's guess.

I don't think it would be library music because it has the BBC One tune to it. I guess we'll never know. Sad


I haven't checked every ident but the BBC ONE tune or riff in the original Tumbler is different from all the rest in that it only has 8 notes, never playing the last 3, and the first note starts higher than the second. It has the least resemblance to the rest of the set -- that's probably why I prefer it to the Network version.

I edited the panning of one of my stereo recordings, and could go as far as saying that the riff could have been sampled from another source too, but I'm not 100% sure on that.
AN
Ant
duke1401 posted:
Antz posted:
duke1401 posted:
It is the better music of the two IMO, but one thing that's baffled me -- if the original track was pulled due to copyright infringement (that was the rumour), why is Scotland still using it?

Another reason I've heard, is that the version Network has now, was the planned original, but it wasn't ready for the ident launch, so library music was used.

There is some logic in the copyright rumour, in that the original music seems quite sample-heavy. But it's anyone's guess.

I don't think it would be library music because it has the BBC One tune to it. I guess we'll never know. Sad


I haven't checked every ident but the BBC ONE tune or riff in the original Tumbler is different from all the rest in that it only has 8 notes, never playing the last 3, and the first note starts higher than the second. It has the least resemblance to the rest of the set -- that's probably why I prefer it to the Network version.

I edited the panning of one of my stereo recordings, and could go as far as saying that the riff could have been sampled from another source too, but I'm not 100% sure on that.

Yeah but look at Acrobats. The whole tune isn't used on that. The 'old' Tumbler music still has part of the tune. It would be a strange coincidence if it was library stuff. I wonder if we'll ever know the true reasonings behind it. Confused Smile

22 days later

AP
AdamP
This is running on PA this afternoon:

BBC PUTS MULTICULTURAL MOTIFS `UNDER REVIEW'
By Sherna Noah, PA Media Correspondent
BBC1 is considering overhauling the motif which controversially replaced its
globe theme three years ago.
The `idents', which cost #700,000 to develop, include young, black and
disabled people performing a variety of dance routines.
The globe theme had been the symbol of BBC1 for nearly 40 years but was
replaced with what was described as a more inclusive and multicultural image.
The BBC1 balloon was the latest incarnation of the globe motif, which first
appeared in 1963.
Today, BBC1 Controller Peter Fincham told the Edinburgh International
Television Festival, there could be change on the way.
He said: "We are looking at those.
"They came on air in March 2002 and it may well be that the time is coming to
look at a new way of doing it.
"No date or direct decision has been made but it's under review."
BBC1 viewers had seen the balloon floating over various landmarks in the UK
since 1997.
It was replaced with a series of eight scenes or `idents'.
They have included three basketball players in wheelchairs dancing to hip hop,
and a couple dancing salsa and acrobats performing against the roof of the Royal
Horticultural Halls in Victoria.
There are also dancers dressed in red and white performing the Capoeira, a
Brazilian dance, on a rooftop against a London backdrop.
Another sees a rugby squad in south Wales, wearing black and red shirts,
performing the Haka - a traditional Maori challenge.
The then controller of BBC1 Lorraine Heggessey said the globe image had
reached the end of its usefulness, when the new idents were launched.
"We thought it was now through people that we would reflect the BBC's own
internationalism and Britain's multiculturalism," she said at the time.
ends


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MA
Matrix
Thanks Adam.

I hadn't seen that article but there are quite a few rumours that there may be a rebrand sometime around 2008. Apparently the globe is still been looked at.

Loved the Heggessey quote. Utter tosh.
JO
Jonathan
themagicmonkey posted:
If it's all about the image of the channel, perhaps BBC1 would like to think what impression it gives when it goes to an important news bulletin - lets say on July 7 - with a picture of some people in leotards standing in an unlikely position.


Maybe the BBC would not use that sort of ident on an occasion like July 7th 2005? Rolling Eyes
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A former member
A very brief report of this appears on this page http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4193094.stm

Quote:
BBC One is considering revamping the motif which replaced its globe "idents" theme three years ago.
The current idents include three basketball players in wheelchairs dancing to hip hop, and a couple dancing salsa.

BBC One Controller Peter Fincham told the festival, there could be change on the way.

"We are looking at those," he said. "They came on air in March 2002 and it may well be that the time is coming to look at a new way of doing it.

"No date or direct decision has been made but it's under review."
EO
eoin
Despite the complete **** of most of the dancer idents, I would miss Capoeira if they were axed. There's something about the way it's shot that looks really professional. It is simple, with just two dancers as a focal point and an early morning (or early afternoon?) backdrop of London. The other idents are way too crowded or tacky or both.

It was the first of the dancer set that I saw, and based on it I thought the rest might actually be good. Pity. I think it could even be a good standalone ident, although I realise it could get boring after a while.

Overall though, I agree with p_c_u_k and others, the logo should be central. This is hardly rocket science, I vaguely remember a mock by Lee S, in which he manged to make the logo more central to the idents. All it takes is some imagination.
JO
Jonathan
pickle104 posted:
Despite the complete ****tiness of most of the dancer idents, I would miss Capoeira if they were axed. There's something about the way it's shot that looks really professional. It is simple, with just two dancers as a focal point and an early morning (or early afternoon?) backdrop of London. The other idents are way too crowded or tacky or both.


It looks professional because it cost 700 000 to produce.
MA
marksi
me_for_nina posted:
pickle104 posted:
Despite the complete ****tiness of most of the dancer idents, I would miss Capoeira if they were axed. There's something about the way it's shot that looks really professional. It is simple, with just two dancers as a focal point and an early morning (or early afternoon?) backdrop of London. The other idents are way too crowded or tacky or both.


It looks professional because it cost 700 000 to produce.


No, it didn't.
BO
BOL I0X
me_for_nina posted:
pickle104 posted:
Despite the complete ****tiness of most of the dancer idents, I would miss Capoeira if they were axed. There's something about the way it's shot that looks really professional. It is simple, with just two dancers as a focal point and an early morning (or early afternoon?) backdrop of London. The other idents are way too crowded or tacky or both.


It looks professional because it cost 700 000 to produce.


BBC Two's idents cost around £2,500 each for an obvious reason. People dancing costing £700,000? I don't think so.
BC
Blake Connolly Founding member
r2ro posted:
To be perfectly honest I like the dancers and I think that they get the message across that it is BBC ONE. Pretty much all people who receive BBC know that the dancers (almost always in red) come before a programme on BBC ONE. Similarly pretty much everyone who receives the BBC knows that the TWO against a yellow background (unless it is the new comedy idents) comes before a BBC TWO programme.
This therefore shows that the idents are successful at branding the channel, which is, on the whole, the main point of an ident.


If they showed a hairy arse before each programme people would eventually know that it means BBC ONE, doesn't mean it's therefore good branding.
IO
Ian of old
When that Heggessey quote originally appeared at the time of the new idents, I remember reading on these boards someone who said "how do you get more inclusive than the globe?" For some reason that line has stuck in my head all these years. And it's rather a good point.

(But I haven't read the other pages of this thread if someone has already said it here.)

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