SW
They're not telerecordings, though, are they? The first series, which this is, was never wiped, it's always existed. But it was filmed in black and white.
Is there any reason why they don't appear to be repeated as the VIDFIRE versions?
They're not telerecordings, though, are they? The first series, which this is, was never wiped, it's always existed. But it was filmed in black and white.
WE
They're not telerecordings, though, are they? The first series, which this is, was never wiped, it's always existed. But it was filmed in black and white.
Yeah but the Beeb are supposed to be reconverting the black & white film recordings back to the original videotape look or approximation of that medium!
Is there any reason why they don't appear to be repeated as the VIDFIRE versions?
They're not telerecordings, though, are they? The first series, which this is, was never wiped, it's always existed. But it was filmed in black and white.
Yeah but the Beeb are supposed to be reconverting the black & white film recordings back to the original videotape look or approximation of that medium!
:-(
A former member
Are you being served pilot was never give that treatment,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5yghL1_Uq4
I believe it was put onto film,.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5yghL1_Uq4
I believe it was put onto film,.
DA
The description for that video says they restored the colour from the markings left on the black and white film copy - that's nothing to do with the VidFire process, which may have well have been used too (as it was on the recently colour-restored Dad's Army episodes), but I don't think you can demonstrate that on YouTube.
David
Are you being served pilot was never give that treatment,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5yghL1_Uq4
I believe it was put onto film,.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5yghL1_Uq4
I believe it was put onto film,.
The description for that video says they restored the colour from the markings left on the black and white film copy - that's nothing to do with the VidFire process, which may have well have been used too (as it was on the recently colour-restored Dad's Army episodes), but I don't think you can demonstrate that on YouTube.
David
BE
They're not telerecordings, though, are they? The first series, which this is, was never wiped, it's always existed. But it was filmed in black and white.
Yeah but the Beeb are supposed to be reconverting the black & white film recordings back to the original videotape look or approximation of that medium!
I thought the point being made by Steve there was that the episodes currently airing are from the first couple of series that were entirely black and white so there is no reconverting because they were black and white to begin with.
Ben
Founding member
Is there any reason why they don't appear to be repeated as the VIDFIRE versions?
They're not telerecordings, though, are they? The first series, which this is, was never wiped, it's always existed. But it was filmed in black and white.
Yeah but the Beeb are supposed to be reconverting the black & white film recordings back to the original videotape look or approximation of that medium!
I thought the point being made by Steve there was that the episodes currently airing are from the first couple of series that were entirely black and white so there is no reconverting because they were black and white to begin with.
DA
I thought the point being made by Steve there was that the episodes currently airing are from the first couple of series that were entirely black and white so there is no reconverting because they were black and white to begin with.
The OP was about the VidFire process, which is about restoring 50fps video motion from 25fps film, not restoring colour from B&W film transfers.
Deja vu...
David
I thought the point being made by Steve there was that the episodes currently airing are from the first couple of series that were entirely black and white so there is no reconverting because they were black and white to begin with.
The OP was about the VidFire process, which is about restoring 50fps video motion from 25fps film, not restoring colour from B&W film transfers.
Deja vu...
David
PC
They're not telerecordings, though, are they? The first series, which this is, was never wiped, it's always existed. But it was filmed in black and white.
Yeah but the Beeb are supposed to be reconverting the black & white film recordings back to the original videotape look or approximation of that medium!
I thought the point being made by Steve there was that the episodes currently airing are from the first couple of series that were entirely black and white so there is no reconverting because they were black and white to begin with.
VIDFIRE is nothing to do with restoring the colour - it's about restoring the fluid video look to the recording - essentially the opposite of adding a filmic effect to something made today.
All of the original video tapes for the first series of Dad's Army, along with most tapes from this period were wiped after first transmission, and the copies that we have now are from film copies that were made for overseas sales. This reduces the frame rate of the recordings, and when viewed makes it look like the whole thing was made on film. Using the VIDFIRE process gets rid of this, puts back the missing frames, and makes the recording look like video again.
It's strange that the transmitted versions are the unrestored ones, as the DVD releases have definitely been restored.
Is there any reason why they don't appear to be repeated as the VIDFIRE versions?
They're not telerecordings, though, are they? The first series, which this is, was never wiped, it's always existed. But it was filmed in black and white.
Yeah but the Beeb are supposed to be reconverting the black & white film recordings back to the original videotape look or approximation of that medium!
I thought the point being made by Steve there was that the episodes currently airing are from the first couple of series that were entirely black and white so there is no reconverting because they were black and white to begin with.
VIDFIRE is nothing to do with restoring the colour - it's about restoring the fluid video look to the recording - essentially the opposite of adding a filmic effect to something made today.
All of the original video tapes for the first series of Dad's Army, along with most tapes from this period were wiped after first transmission, and the copies that we have now are from film copies that were made for overseas sales. This reduces the frame rate of the recordings, and when viewed makes it look like the whole thing was made on film. Using the VIDFIRE process gets rid of this, puts back the missing frames, and makes the recording look like video again.
It's strange that the transmitted versions are the unrestored ones, as the DVD releases have definitely been restored.
NJ
The description for that video says they restored the colour from the markings left on the black and white film copy - that's nothing to do with the VidFire process, which may have well have been used too (as it was on the recently colour-restored Dad's Army episodes), but I don't think you can demonstrate that on YouTube.
David
This was incredibly fascinating, how they managed to recover the colour of the Are You Being Served? pilot when it had been dumped many years ago, leaving the black-and-white recording. Of course it means, in theory, the black-and-white archive that was originally made in colour could be converted back to colour by looking for the chroma-dots. Absolutely incredible.
Talking of the Dad's Army current repeats, they all look incredibly grainy. I presume this is only because I'm watching on modern HD-Ready technology and they wouldn't have looked like that back in 1968?
Neil Jones
Founding member
Are you being served pilot was never give that treatment,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5yghL1_Uq4
I believe it was put onto film,.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5yghL1_Uq4
I believe it was put onto film,.
The description for that video says they restored the colour from the markings left on the black and white film copy - that's nothing to do with the VidFire process, which may have well have been used too (as it was on the recently colour-restored Dad's Army episodes), but I don't think you can demonstrate that on YouTube.
David
This was incredibly fascinating, how they managed to recover the colour of the Are You Being Served? pilot when it had been dumped many years ago, leaving the black-and-white recording. Of course it means, in theory, the black-and-white archive that was originally made in colour could be converted back to colour by looking for the chroma-dots. Absolutely incredible.
Talking of the Dad's Army current repeats, they all look incredibly grainy. I presume this is only because I'm watching on modern HD-Ready technology and they wouldn't have looked like that back in 1968?
RJ
The original pictures would not have been nearly so grainy. But "telerecordings" or kinescopes as they call them in the USA were a pretty primitive way of making copies of programmes. It basically involved pointing a film camera at a TV set. Before videotape technology came in during the 50s it was the only way of preserving programmes for future transmission or for overseas sales. Dad's Army was originally screened on BBC1 so the first two series may have been made using 405 line cameras, rather than 625 lines which was used for BBC2 and for all colour programmes in the UK. 405 line pictures (the first high-definition television in the world, in 1936!) did look poorer than 625 line ones, but not markedly so. Most TV sets in the 60s were 19 or 21 inch...24 wass the biggest domestic set readily available...so seeing old programmes on a 42 inch set today will, of necessity, mean any "blemishes" in picture quality are more clearly seen.