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JE
Jez Founding member
Pootle5 posted:
JCB posted:

Has It ever looked like a proper street?. With a shop. post office, factory and modern semi-detached houses down one side it's the most ludicrous unrealistic looking "backstreet" I've ever seen.


Don't know what sort of town you live in or have visited, but here in Birmingham - and in other larger towns and cities - there are many areas with a wide mix of uses in the street - Weatherfield is a very typical Victorian jumbled neighbourhood. In that sense, I think the Street is quite realistic (although maybe the corner shop/Kabin would've merged a long time ago...).

In my street, at the top there's a flower shop, cafe, betting shop and a warehouse. Then there's a fairly modern sheltered housing scheme with a community hall. The late Victorian houses then start - with a small corner shop in the middle. On one side of the street there's a row of modern houses where a warehouse used to stand. Round one corner there's a Gospel Church, the other corner a firelplace showroom and a nursery...

There's nothing unrealistic about the mix of uses and building types on Coronation Street. Did you do any urban geography at school?

The most unrealsitc soap set ever had to be the Brookside petrol station - at the end of a cul-de-sac. So much passing trade - amazing it survived... Rolling Eyes


Wasnt the petrol station on Brookie the other side of the lane from Brookside Close i.e where the parade of shops were?

I cant help thinking there are too many shops/businesses on the Corrie/Victoria Street set - we have a kebab shop, chippy, bookies, butchers, cafe, medical centre, builders yard, pub, hairdressers, garage, factory, newsagents and corner shop all in the same couple of streets. It was better pre 1990s when we had just the factory, community centre, corner shop and pub. The Kabin and Cafe were down Rosamund Street, not far away but at least everything wasnt on top of one another like it is now. We also had the builders yard a few streets away, and the garage was also some distance away from the street.

The Corner Shop and Kabin would have merged now as you said - there are very few general stores these days which dont sell newspapers.
WE
Westy2
Jez posted:
Pootle5 posted:
JCB posted:

Has It ever looked like a proper street?. With a shop. post office, factory and modern semi-detached houses down one side it's the most ludicrous unrealistic looking "backstreet" I've ever seen.


Don't know what sort of town you live in or have visited, but here in Birmingham - and in other larger towns and cities - there are many areas with a wide mix of uses in the street - Weatherfield is a very typical Victorian jumbled neighbourhood. In that sense, I think the Street is quite realistic (although maybe the corner shop/Kabin would've merged a long time ago...).

In my street, at the top there's a flower shop, cafe, betting shop and a warehouse. Then there's a fairly modern sheltered housing scheme with a community hall. The late Victorian houses then start - with a small corner shop in the middle. On one side of the street there's a row of modern houses where a warehouse used to stand. Round one corner there's a Gospel Church, the other corner a firelplace showroom and a nursery...

There's nothing unrealistic about the mix of uses and building types on Coronation Street. Did you do any urban geography at school?

The most unrealsitc soap set ever had to be the Brookside petrol station - at the end of a cul-de-sac. So much passing trade - amazing it survived... Rolling Eyes


Wasnt the petrol station on Brookie the other side of the lane from Brookside Close i.e where the parade of shops were?

I cant help thinking there are too many shops/businesses on the Corrie/Victoria Street set - we have a kebab shop, chippy, bookies, butchers, cafe, medical centre, builders yard, pub, hairdressers, garage, factory, newsagents and corner shop all in the same couple of streets. It was better pre 1990s when we had just the factory, community centre, corner shop and pub. The Kabin and Cafe were down Rosamund Street, not far away but at least everything wasnt on top of one another like it is now. We also had the builders yard a few streets away, and the garage was also some distance away from the street.

The Corner Shop and Kabin would have merged now as you said - there are very few general stores these days which dont sell newspapers.


Maybe a future storyline when Rita & Norris retire?
AN
Andrew Founding member
Jez posted:
I cant help thinking there are too many shops/businesses on the Corrie/Victoria Street set - we have a kebab shop, chippy, bookies, butchers, cafe, medical centre, builders yard, pub, hairdressers, garage, factory, newsagents and corner shop all in the same couple of streets. It was better pre 1990s when we had just the factory, community centre, corner shop and pub. The Kabin and Cafe were down Rosamund Street, not far away but at least everything wasnt on top of one another like it is now. We also had the builders yard a few streets away, and the garage was also some distance away from the street. .

Why would that be better? In the old days characters were unable to walk from place to place, as hardly any businesses were on the street set. You'd have the situation of someone going to the cafe, but the camera only following them half way

Plus you wouldn't get the scenes where there is an incident in the street, and Norris and Rita come out and have a look

The amount of businesses isn't realistic, but it's the same in all soaps, look at all the businesses in Emmerdale, in a tiny village!

Jez posted:
Pootle5 posted:
The most unrealsitc soap set ever had to be the Brookside petrol station - at the end of a cul-de-sac. So much passing trade - amazing it survived... Rolling Eyes



The road around the 'parade' was a cul-de-sac in that there was only one way in out and the petrol station couldn't be seen from any through road
DJ
DJ Dave
Yeah but the road came in from the back of the shops on brookside.
PO
Pootle5
Andrew posted:
Jez posted:
I cant help thinking there are too many shops/businesses on the Corrie/Victoria Street set - we have a kebab shop, chippy, bookies, butchers, cafe, medical centre, builders yard, pub, hairdressers, garage, factory, newsagents and corner shop all in the same couple of streets. It was better pre 1990s when we had just the factory, community centre, corner shop and pub. The Kabin and Cafe were down Rosamund Street, not far away but at least everything wasnt on top of one another like it is now. We also had the builders yard a few streets away, and the garage was also some distance away from the street. .

Why would that be better? In the old days characters were unable to walk from place to place, as hardly any businesses were on the street set. You'd have the situation of someone going to the cafe, but the camera only following them half way

Plus you wouldn't get the scenes where there is an incident in the street, and Norris and Rita come out and have a look

The amount of businesses isn't realistic, but it's the same in all soaps, look at all the businesses in Emmerdale, in a tiny village!

Jez posted:
Pootle5 posted:
The most unrealsitc soap set ever had to be the Brookside petrol station - at the end of a cul-de-sac. So much passing trade - amazing it survived... Rolling Eyes



The road around the 'parade' was a cul-de-sac in that there was only one way in out and the petrol station couldn't be seen from any through road


The reason there are so many businesses is that they need extra locations given the number of episodes per week. The unrealistic part is that so many of the characters live so close to where they work. Only Deidrie goes off to the planning depatment - perhaps she's responsible for approving so many business uses in a residential street... Laughing
JE
Jez Founding member
Andrew posted:
Jez posted:
I cant help thinking there are too many shops/businesses on the Corrie/Victoria Street set - we have a kebab shop, chippy, bookies, butchers, cafe, medical centre, builders yard, pub, hairdressers, garage, factory, newsagents and corner shop all in the same couple of streets. It was better pre 1990s when we had just the factory, community centre, corner shop and pub. The Kabin and Cafe were down Rosamund Street, not far away but at least everything wasnt on top of one another like it is now. We also had the builders yard a few streets away, and the garage was also some distance away from the street. .

Why would that be better? In the old days characters were unable to walk from place to place, as hardly any businesses were on the street set. You'd have the situation of someone going to the cafe, but the camera only following them half way

Plus you wouldn't get the scenes where there is an incident in the street, and Norris and Rita come out and have a look

The amount of businesses isn't realistic, but it's the same in all soaps, look at all the businesses in Emmerdale, in a tiny village!

Jez posted:
Pootle5 posted:
The most unrealsitc soap set ever had to be the Brookside petrol station - at the end of a cul-de-sac. So much passing trade - amazing it survived... Rolling Eyes



The road around the 'parade' was a cul-de-sac in that there was only one way in out and the petrol station couldn't be seen from any through road


Im not saying it was better but more more realistic in the old days. There were hardly any scenes on the outside set in the 1970s anyway, just 1 or 2 an episode, some episodes none at all. Most of it was in the houses or Rovers/Corner Shop./Kabin.

It was more realistic because you had a back street in Manchester with a shop on one end and a pub on the other and no other shops. Now its unrealistic, its a back street not a main road. The street I live in has no shops, they are on the main road.
PO
Pootle5
Jez posted:


Im not saying it was better but more more realistic in the old days. There were hardly any scenes on the outside set in the 1970s anyway, just 1 or 2 an episode, some episodes none at all. Most of it was in the houses or Rovers/Corner Shop./Kabin.

It was more realistic because you had a back street in Manchester with a shop on one end and a pub on the other and no other shops. Now its unrealistic, its a back street not a main road. The street I live in has no shops, they are on the main road.


But Jez, that's the street that YOU live in! I don't live on a main road, but as I said earlier:

Quote:
In my street, at the top there's a flower shop, cafe, betting shop and a warehouse. Then there's a fairly modern sheltered housing scheme with a community hall. The late Victorian houses then start - with a small corner shop in the middle. On one side of the street there's a row of modern houses where a warehouse used to stand. Round one corner there's a Gospel Church, the other corner a firelplace showroom and a nursery...


Oh, and I forgot, there's a small builder's yard too. It's a Victorian side street in Birmingham. Like Corrie is a Victorian side street in Salford...

All I'm saying is that there ARE streets like that - and to say it's unrealistic.... well perhaps I'm living on some imaginary soap set then! Laughing

The increase in shooting outdoors HAD to happen to keep up with Brookside and Eastenders where they used outdoor scenes much more. Shooting outdoor scenes became far easier / cheaper in the 1980s too I would imagine.

The limited locations may have been ok for 2 episodes a week - but with 5 episodes, the story possibilities are increased alongside the number of potential locations.
JE
Jez Founding member
Pootle5 posted:


But Jez, that's the street that YOU live in! I don't live on a main road, but as I said earlier:


Yes but the street I live in as I said isnt a main road, just like Coronation Street isnt, so has no shops. They are a 5 minute walk away on a busy main road which goes into town.

Even the places you mentioned on your street isnt anywhere near as many as Coronation Street and Victoria Street have. How many people have all those places within such easy reach.

Im sure there are streets like that yes, but it would be more realistic IMO if a few of the places were say 2-3 streets away like they used to be in the 1970s/80s with The Kabin/Cafe etc.
ST
Stuart
Well perhaps my Dad lives on a soap set too, he seems to have all the requirements within walking distance, and he is just on an ordinary road of Victorian terreced houses in Wilmslow, Cheshire.

http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/dads.jpg

EDIT: Ooops pic © Google Earth
JO
Jon
StuartPlymouth posted:
Well perhaps my Dad lives on a soap set too, he seems to have all the requirements within walking distance, and he is just on an ordinary road of Victorian terreced houses in Wilmslow, Cheshire.

http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/dads.jpg

EDIT: Ooops pic © Google Earth

What about a surgury or a chippy?
Edit: Thinking about it the chippy could be within the group of shops.
ST
Stuart
wells posted:
What about a surgury or a chippy?
Edit: Thinking about it the chippy could be within the group of shops.

There is a chippy and Chinese Takeway within staggering distance, just passed the Doctors' Surgery (about half a mile)
JO
Jon
StuartPlymouth posted:
wells posted:
What about a surgury or a chippy?
Edit: Thinking about it the chippy could be within the group of shops.

There is a chippy and Chinese Takeway within staggering distance, just passed the Doctors' Surgery (about half a mile)

It would help stated this at the beggining.
I can here fireworks, what idoit has fireworks in august?

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