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Square Eyes Founding member
02cashindavid posted:

Roger Mellie posted:
I would argue that you can't get rid of too many characters; after all you need people to live in all the house on the Street, people to work in and run the factory, people to run/work in/drink in the Rovers, people to work in or visit the garage, cafe and the hair salon etc.


Yes, but can't the people who live on the street also be the people who work in the factory and the pub, use the garage, the cafe, the hair salon etc. We seem to have quite a few characters who don't live on the street at all.


Then the accusation would be that it is unrealistic. How many people do you know that work on the same street that they live on ?
BR
Brekkie
Square Eyes posted:
02cashindavid posted:

Roger Mellie posted:
I would argue that you can't get rid of too many characters; after all you need people to live in all the house on the Street, people to work in and run the factory, people to run/work in/drink in the Rovers, people to work in or visit the garage, cafe and the hair salon etc.


Yes, but can't the people who live on the street also be the people who work in the factory and the pub, use the garage, the cafe, the hair salon etc. We seem to have quite a few characters who don't live on the street at all.


Then the accusation would be that it is unrealistic. How many people do you know that work on the same street that they live on ?



Everyone in Albert Square! Confused
DA
David_02
Square Eyes posted:
02cashindavid posted:

Roger Mellie posted:
I would argue that you can't get rid of too many characters; after all you need people to live in all the house on the Street, people to work in and run the factory, people to run/work in/drink in the Rovers, people to work in or visit the garage, cafe and the hair salon etc.


Yes, but can't the people who live on the street also be the people who work in the factory and the pub, use the garage, the cafe, the hair salon etc. We seem to have quite a few characters who don't live on the street at all.


Then the accusation would be that it is unrealistic. How many people do you know that work on the same street that they live on ?


How many backstreet's do you know contain houses, a corner shop, a post office, a garage, an underwear factory, a hair salon, a cafe, a builder's yard, a medical centre and a pub?

I hardly think realism comes into it.
SE
Square Eyes Founding member
02cashindavid posted:
Square Eyes posted:
02cashindavid posted:

Roger Mellie posted:
I would argue that you can't get rid of too many characters; after all you need people to live in all the house on the Street, people to work in and run the factory, people to run/work in/drink in the Rovers, people to work in or visit the garage, cafe and the hair salon etc.


Yes, but can't the people who live on the street also be the people who work in the factory and the pub, use the garage, the cafe, the hair salon etc. We seem to have quite a few characters who don't live on the street at all.


Then the accusation would be that it is unrealistic. How many people do you know that work on the same street that they live on ?


How many backstreet's do you know contain houses, a corner shop, a post office, a garage, an underwear factory, a hair salon, a cafe, a builder's yard, a medical centre and a pub?

I hardly think realism comes into it.


We know it's unrealistic, as all soaps are, but what you are suggesting is preposturous. There have always been characters living off the street and that adds just a touch of realism to it.

It's Coronation Street, not The Truman Show. It is not some kind of self contained parallel universe where nobody steps off the cobbles.
DA
David_02
Fair enough. It was just a minor point and I do agree that we need to have characters who don't just live on the street. But I'm just looking at different ways in which the cast could be scaled down - because it does need to be scaled down. We have a cast that is so large and like I said we have characters who we know virtually nothing about.
DJ
DJGM
02cashindavid posted:

How many backstreet's do you know contain houses, a corner shop, a post office, a garage,
an underwear factory, a hair salon, a cafe, a builder's yard, a medical centre and a pub?

I hardly think realism comes into it.


Although the cafe and builders yard are on Victoria Street, while the medical centre is on Rosamund Street.
DA
David_02
DJGM posted:
02cashindavid posted:

How many backstreet's do you know contain houses, a corner shop, a post office, a garage,
an underwear factory, a hair salon, a cafe, a builder's yard, a medical centre and a pub?

I hardly think realism comes into it.


Although the cafe and builders yard are on Victoria Street, while the medical centre is on Rosamund Street.


Fair point.

I think I'll go to bed... Embarassed
JE
Jez Founding member
Roger Mellie posted:
pad posted:
Well while we're on the subject I might as well post these ideas I made a while back.

- Order a new title sequence, with updated shots of the street. They take a slightly more dramatic angle but the music remains utterly unchanged. Ensure closing credits are included – tell ITV to put up or shut up about them; Corrie’s their best asset it can be excluded from a senseless generic identity.

- Order a total clearout of the cast, to phase out over 12 months. Those on the axe list are the entire Peacock family (Ashley, Claire, Josh and Freddie) – they move away for a fresh start; the Battersbys (Cilla, Les, Chesney) – Les dies suddenly in an accident and Cilla decides to move away with Chesney to give her son the life he deserves. Yana also leaves; Dev Alahan – is bled dry by a woman who claims she loves him, and is left with nothing. At the lowest of the low, he is saved by another woman and is offered a job in America, which he jumps at. Amber goes back to live with her Mum; a fire in the Rovers kills the following characters – Vernon, Lloyd, Adam, Kelly, Sean and Paul Connor. The fire is a massive storyline that leaves the residents reeling. Obviously the Rovers fire will call for a revamp, but it wouldn’t be modernised as such, just redecorated to seem fresher. That’s a total of 12 characters gone. None are drafted in to replace them.

- Clear out the deadwood writers (I mean people like Peter Whalley, Chris Fewtrell, Julie Jones etc who are bland at best) and search for new talent. Brief scriptwriters and ask for more character-led episodes and faster-paced storylines with more twists. As a general rule of thumb, storylines should last no more than 6 months before reaching a conclusion or a massive turning point. Dabble with joint-written episodes by two writers and see what the quality is like.

- Insist directors are more creative with episodes with better camera work to help with the atmosphere of the episode. For example in the Mad Maya episodes after a dramatic sequence a scene began in pitch black with Liz McDonald lighting the air with her lighter, a good link. More location shots are ordered – such as the scenes on the Moors etc. Also insist on not shying away from techniques such as the Queen song over the end of the Christmas episode, but not to an excessive level (i.e. rarely, but not NEVER like now). Better build-ups to scenes and transitions are also required (by transitions I mean not just cutting from dialogue straight to more dialogue, maybe dialogue to scene of busy pub to dialogue). Creativity and diversity is encouraged – more ‘special’ episodes and two-handers/four-handers. Improve the ending of episodes - every storyline being played out should come to some sort of ‘ending’ however small in the final scenes. Consider changing which part of the theme tune comes in over the end, at the moment it fades in at a very dull moment when there are other parts in the piece that would be better.

- The scripting teams are ordered to ensure every character has something – however small – going on in their life at one time. Characters who have been in the dark for a long time and criminally underused – Violet and Eileen for two – are given bigger storylines. Care is taken not to overdo characters and to maintain balance (i.e. not one storyline dominating the show for months a la Tracy / Charlie). Character development is key to the storylines and we learn about each one in each storyline every episode. Several storylines simmer in the background for a while before getting their 'one week of fame' or whatever where they take centre stage. This should be done using overlapping so it doesn't seem like "well, that storyline's over, now let's focus on a brand new out of the blue one."

And that's quite enough of my rambling. Wink


Keep up Pad! Wink ... Cilla is leaving before the end of the year. I suspect that her cancer will return, and nobody will believe she is going to die (since she 'lied' last time). Paul Connor has said he is leaving before too long also-- killed off it is rumoured.

Is it such a bad thing having "too many" characters? After all the viewing public is not paying for them (as they would with the BBC!).

Yes, some characters are superfluous-- Adam Barlow being a prime example. I think characters should be eliminated on their usefulness and/or popularity-- quality rather than quantity.

I would argue that you can't get rid of too many characters; after all you need people to live in all the house on the Street, people to work in and run the factory, people to run/work in/drink in the Rovers, people to work in or visit the garage, cafe and the hair salon etc.

Remember that even soap actors need their holidays, or have to take sick leave or maternity leave-- somebody has to able to cover them!

What I would like to see a fairer distribution of storylines amongst the characters. The Barlows, the Connors, Sean, Steve, Liz and Vernon seemed to have been dominating too much of late.

I think the reason people feel there are too many characters, is that other characters dominate so much, it makes the other decent characters seem superfluous. It's about time the Duckworths got another decent storyline for instance-- Violet is criminally underused too. Molly and Tyrone are good comedy characters, why not use them more?

I feel characters like that are being sidelined, which is putting people off them, becuase they are seen as non-entities! They are enough epis of Coro for them to spread the load between all the main characters after all Laughing


60+ regular characters is too many IMO - with a lot of characters underused and not developed properly it shows they dont need that many.

Yes they do need people to fill the houses on the street, and one of the reasons they built the extra houses on the other side of the street in 1989/1990 was because the show was going to 3 times a week so needed more cast, the same with Victoria Street added in 1999.

There is nothing to say that some houses could remain empty - the sale of Charlie's house went through rather quickly. I know myself it can take months to sell a property and even longer before you can move in but barely 2 months after Charlie's death they are already new people in the house!

I agree that the Barlows (especially Tracy), Sean, Steve are overused but I dont think the Connors are. I was quite disappointed we didnt have more than a couple of scenes with Carla and Paul in Friday's episode considering it was meant to be such a huge storyline.
JE
Jez Founding member
02cashindavid posted:
Square Eyes posted:
02cashindavid posted:

Roger Mellie posted:
I would argue that you can't get rid of too many characters; after all you need people to live in all the house on the Street, people to work in and run the factory, people to run/work in/drink in the Rovers, people to work in or visit the garage, cafe and the hair salon etc.


Yes, but can't the people who live on the street also be the people who work in the factory and the pub, use the garage, the cafe, the hair salon etc. We seem to have quite a few characters who don't live on the street at all.


Then the accusation would be that it is unrealistic. How many people do you know that work on the same street that they live on ?


How many backstreet's do you know contain houses, a corner shop, a post office, a garage, an underwear factory, a hair salon, a cafe, a builder's yard, a medical centre and a pub?

I hardly think realism comes into it.


I do think that it is unrealistic that there is a corner shop, pub, post office/newsagents, factory, garage, salon all on one Street and also a medical centre, cafe, takeaway, chip shop etc all around the corner. It used to be far more realistic when the Kabin and Cafe were on Rosamund Street, with just the Rovers, Corner Shop, factory and Community Centre on the Street itself. Everything wasnt on top of each other.
ST
stevek
I find eastenders slightly more realistic in that they have unseen characters living in some of the houses around the square.

Some years ago when what is now the Millers house (27) had a gas leak and blew up, two unidentified residents are seen running out of number 29 as Grant helps the Jackson children out of number 25.

Number 29 has been empty for ages and so is the Fowlers (45), not that the web site has been updated.

I found Brookside the most unrealistic in that the close had 10 houses yet everything happened in numbers 5-10 whilst nobody ever mentioned the first four house like they didn't exist or something, they didn't even put curtains up to make them look lived in
BR
Brekkie
stevek posted:
I find eastenders slightly more realistic in that they have unseen characters living in some of the houses around the square.

Some years ago when what is now the Millers house (27) had a gas leak and blew up, two unidentified residents are seen running out of number 29 as Grant helps the Jackson children out of number 25.

Number 29 has been empty for ages and so is the Fowlers (45), not that the web site has been updated.

I found Brookside the most unrealistic in that the close had 10 houses yet everything happened in numbers 5-10 whilst nobody ever mentioned the first four house like they didn't exist or something, they didn't even put curtains up to make them look lived in


At least one of the other houses was used in Hollyoaks, one as the Cunningham house.

One advantage Hollyoaks has is rather than being set on a street, it's set in a number of houses across the village.

BTW, they have around 35 regular characters (in the opening!).
JE
Jez Founding member
Brekkie Boy posted:
stevek posted:
I find eastenders slightly more realistic in that they have unseen characters living in some of the houses around the square.

Some years ago when what is now the Millers house (27) had a gas leak and blew up, two unidentified residents are seen running out of number 29 as Grant helps the Jackson children out of number 25.

Number 29 has been empty for ages and so is the Fowlers (45), not that the web site has been updated.

I found Brookside the most unrealistic in that the close had 10 houses yet everything happened in numbers 5-10 whilst nobody ever mentioned the first four house like they didn't exist or something, they didn't even put curtains up to make them look lived in


At least one of the other houses was used in Hollyoaks, one as the Cunningham house.

One advantage Hollyoaks has is rather than being set on a street, it's set in a number of houses across the village.

BTW, they have around 35 regular characters (in the opening!).


Still 25 less than Corrie and its on 5 times a week as well.

Anyway changing the subject - next Sunday's episode will be one to watch - apparently its a two hander with just Deirdre and Tracy. Then the trial starts next Monday.

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