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Inspector Sands11,688 posts since 25 Aug 2004
As you say, amazing that these episodes from the mid 80s exist in such poor condition.


Particularly when every episode from the 60s still exists, and every 70s episode exists on its original videotape- in an era when shows were routinely wiped or only kept as black and white telerecordings! Yet it seems 4 episodes from an era after wiping ended have gone walkies.

But deliberate 'wiping' isn't the only fate that can happen to a videotape, they can go missing or get damaged in many ways.

If they've only lost 4 episodes in 60 years, that's amazing, not the fact that 4 don't
james-20012,432 posts since 13 Sep 2015
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As you say, amazing that these episodes from the mid 80s exist in such poor condition.


Particularly when every episode from the 60s still exists, and every 70s episode exists on its original videotape- in an era when shows were routinely wiped or only kept as black and white telerecordings! Yet it seems 4 episodes from an era after wiping ended have gone walkies.


Yip, the only footage Granada (ITV) claim to not have are the original two dry runs, inserts into the 1969 and 1970 All Star Comedy Carnival and all six episodes of Turn Out The Lights, the spin-off from Pardon The Expression.


I guess it's technically correct- even if they only have those 4 episodes as timecoded VHS/Beta/U-matic, they still have them!

I've had a quick scan on YouTube through some episodes that are forthcoming on ITV3 over the next 2 or 3 weeks, and there's what looks like some videotaped location work in December 87 and January 88 (not the easiest to tell on YouTube videos encoded at 25p admittedly, but it looks a lot cleaner and without the grain and scratches of the location work that's definately on film- we'll know for sure when ITV3 show these episodes over the next few weeks). They were still using film until February 88 (according to Corriepedia the last episode to use film was 17/2/88 ), so there presumably must have been a couple of months where they alternated between the two.
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james-20012,432 posts since 13 Sep 2015
Central (East) East Midlands Today
I'm sure someone on DS said it was around the 140k mark, which to me sounds reasonable for a digital channel during the weekday daytime (but I admit I'm not entirely sure what's good in ITV3 terms).

They've not pulled a "Drama" with The Bill stunt yet, which means pulling it or jumping ahead several years, which must be a good sign.
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james-20012,432 posts since 13 Sep 2015
Central (East) East Midlands Today
Another quick look through those December 87-Feb 88 episodes, it looks like the ones with video location work are between the 21st December and 13th January, then it's back on film between the 18th January and 17th February, then being full time video from 22nd February onwards. Looks like they made three weeks' worth of episodes using video, then went back to film for a month before the switch became permanent. Doesn't look like it's director related (unlike with the cardboard vs electronic credits & endcaps we've seen on the 86/87 episodes, which did seem to vary by director), as according to Corriepedia it's the same directors working on both bunches of episodes.

Similarly, I remember when watching on Granada Plus, around the 1989-91 era there I noticed was one director (can't remember which, but looking at Corriepedia I have a feeling it was Brian Mills) who seemed to always replace the end shot of the opening titles.
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DJGM2,592 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Granada North West Today
According to this article on DS, there are plans to open up the Corrie set to the public on Sundays from this April.

(Obviously not at whatever is left of the old set at the Old Granada Studios site!)
"The Not-So-Late-Show with Greg Mitchell" Tuesdays 4-6pm on Roch Valley Radio - rochvalleyradio.org.uk

(Until further notice!)
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Jez10,734 posts since 7 May 2001
HTV Wales Wales Today
In todays second ITV3 episode Susan returned from London and told Ken and Deirdre she had an abortion. So Adam shouldn't exist in the current episodes. She had no reason to lie to Ken and Deirdre and say she had an abortion if she infact hadn't. She also doesn't want to split up with Mike at this point, she just wanted a career and not a child. I hate the way they rewrite things like this in modern Corrie, especially as the episodes were far more superior back then and its an insult to change the shows history.

We will be onto 1988 episodes from Friday of next week.
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james-20012,432 posts since 13 Sep 2015
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In 2001 they retconned it to say she hadn't really had an abortion, she just claimed she had (even though Ken had seen Susan in the interim and would surely have noticed a son).

Funnily enough another of Mike's sons got retconned- Mark Redman (who we saw on the ITV3 run back in December) got aged up by 2 years when he reappeared in the early 90s.

We see Hilda's final episode next Wednesday too- which was the first time the show was broadcast on Xmas day when it wasn't a Monday or Wednesday (and there were a couple of occasions in the 70s when it wasn't shown even when it was a broadcast day). It's been on every Xmas day since, bar 1993 when ITV strangely ran a bog standard Saturday schedule.
Jez10,734 posts since 7 May 2001
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Yes I know it was a retcon.

I can accept they aged Mark up a few years, the character didn't appear for years and the average viewer wouldn't have noticed that so much as time can move at a different pace in soaps and dramas on occasions. But with Adam they introduced a character that definitely didn't exist as far as the 1987 episodes are concerned.
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