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Neil Jones6,002 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
Basically someone at the BBC/Netflix/Prime Video etc. should have watched the programme and decided when is a safe point to squeeze the credits without ruining anything important during or after them.


Wouldn't that have been documented (for BBC programmes at least) at the time of production so that Playout knew not to squeeze it? Is that documentation not kept or not referred to for the iPlayer version? Of course its far more likely the entire operation is automated.
clh59 posts since 10 Jul 2014
Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
Basically someone at the BBC/Netflix/Prime Video etc. should have watched the programme and decided when is a safe point to squeeze the credits without ruining anything important during or after them.


Wouldn't that have been documented (for BBC programmes at least) at the time of production so that Playout knew not to squeeze it? Is that documentation not kept or not referred to for the iPlayer version? Of course its far more likely the entire operation is automated.


There's a blog post on the BBC Design + Engineering Medium page that talked about machine learning for end credit detection, which they started as part of 10% time.

https://medium.com/bbc-design-engineering/autonomy-innovation-using-10-time-e04dc7f184e9

Basically some stuff, they have end credit time available (don't know if someone works it out or if it's supplied with the programme when it is first broadcast), and if they don't have that they'll give the AI a try.
davidhorman2,315 posts since 8 Mar 2005
Channel Channel Islands
Holby ended a special episode with a song running into the credits the other week (I think for the first time ever)


Not the first time ever, I'm pretty sure. I assumed it was a deliberate callback to when they used to end with a "songtage" because they had Patsy Kensit's character back from that era.

Have I Got News For You often comes back after the credits for a little extra bit. I've never seen that cause any problems.
whoiam989906 posts since 22 Dec 2007
BBC World News
Here's what German typeface designer Erik Spiekermann (co-founder of Font Shop International) have wrote about the BBC Reith font family:




For further comparison, here are the font families in question, designed by Mitja Miklavčič:
Arrow FF Tisa (serif)
Arrow FF Tisa Sans
thegeek5,247 posts since 1 Jan 2002
London London
apologies for the reply to an ancient post...

Basically someone at the BBC/Netflix/Prime Video etc. should have watched the programme and decided when is a safe point to squeeze the credits without ruining anything important during or after them.


Wouldn't that have been documented (for BBC programmes at least) at the time of production so that Playout knew not to squeeze it? Is that documentation not kept or not referred to for the iPlayer version? Of course its far more likely the entire operation is automated.

It certainly didn't used to be - when I worked in media management, one of the things I had to do was enter a timecode for the start of the end credits into the playout database. I didn't quite realise the importance of that metadata until I was home watching a programme I'd ingested, and thought that the announcer came in a bit abruptly after the programme. Turned out that the automation had gone by my timecode. I made sure to leave a bit more breathing space from then on.
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