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Should there be a comprehensive overhaul of ALL BBC channels

Talk about the demise of BBC three in the other thread. We deal with everything else (March 2014)

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BR
Brekkie
BBC Two is the main issue, has no budget across most of the day so basically produces new content for about 4 hours. This content is not well defined and sits somewhere that is not mainstream enough for BBC1, not highbrow enough for BBC4 and not young experimental enough for BBC3

I do worry the next step will be to strip daytime completely from BBC2 and have them time share with a kids channel because of course we all want BBC1+1 24/7.
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A former member
It would make since? if you move daily politics to BBC one or even BBC news it would free up alot of space. The bbc are trying to fill slots with magic it seems,.
DE
deejay
BBC Two is the network with the biggest identity crisis as far as I can see. A lot of the things it used to do (and do exceptionally well) were non-mainstream, niche, highly valued and well regarded programming and an awful lot of those sort of programmes went to BBC Three and BBC Four. Since Three and Four replaced Choice and Knowledge (which had very different remits to Three and Four) BBC Two has become something of a lost sheep, scrabbling about for the stuff it is home to. Most of the highly respected things that Three and Four have become known for would have been shown on BBC Two. BBC Two used to bt be the proving ground for new comedy (like Shooting Stars or Have I Got News For You, for example) which would transfer to BBC One when they realised they were on to a winner. BBC Four became known for it's dramas, especially recent history drama like Fantabulosa - again the sort of thing BBC Two used to happily show. And an awful lot of science, notably The Sky at Night, now is found on BBC Four, not BBC Two where it used to live, along with a host of other science documentaries and long running series.

If anything needs to come out of this, it's a refocussing of what BBC Two does. It will be fascinating to see whether BBC Three can survive as an online-only brand.
MA
Markymark

I do worry the next step will be to strip daytime completely from BBC2 and have them time share with a kids channel because of course we all want BBC1+1 24/7.


As suggested in another group this morning, replace all +1 channels with a single shopping channel selling
nothing but PVRs Cool
RW
Robert Williams Founding member
House posted:
Given, as Andrew said, most of the CBBC channel's airtime is when its target audience are in school, and Cbeebies' must be targeting a relatively small number of households, is there a good argument for keeping them as different services today? Parents of young children are no less likely to have access to iPlayer than anyone else, and the child-friendly versions of iPlayer should prevent other obstacles too...

Merging the two channels (though maintaining the brand) would presumably save several million that could go towards, say, BBC One drama or other services, and in tandem with other savings/ reductions might make more sense than the current set up.


From the moment it was announced that the BBC would launch not one, but two children's channels it did seem like overkill to me. My ideal would be one channel arranged like this: 6-8.30am CBBC, 8.30am-3.30pm CBeebies, 3.30-7pm CBBC. Ever since CBBC ditched schools programmes, it has seemed for it odd to broadcast programmes to an audience not available to watch it.

But I don't think doing away with daytime CBBC would actually save much money at all. It only shows repeats during school hours, with all new programming appearing during the breakfast and afternoon slots. It's questionable why CBeebies needs to produce so much new material, though, when its audience effectively renews itself every few years, so maybe there's some potential savings to be made there.

However I think if the BBC were so much to lay a finger on either the CBBC or CBeebies channels, there would be an outcry that would dwarf that surrounding the BBC Three proposals.
PC
p_c_u_k
Timesharing for CBeebies wouldn't work. Small children wake up at incredibly random times - the current 6am start doesn't even cater for when parents sometimes could do with the service as kids wake up at the weirdest times sometimes. Tots are in the house all day and the times parents need the service vary wildly. You would have an absolute outcry if you touched it. It also can't cost the most to run as it's mainly repeats, given after six years it gets an entirely new group of children watching.
SW
Steve Williams
From the moment it was announced that the BBC would launch not one, but two children's channels it did seem like overkill to me. My ideal would be one channel arranged like this: 6-8.30am CBBC, 8.30am-3.30pm CBeebies, 3.30-7pm CBBC. Ever since CBBC ditched schools programmes, it has seemed for it odd to broadcast programmes to an audience not available to watch it.


That does of course mean Cbeebies would lose the hour it has its highest audience, between 6pm and 7pm, where the Bedtime Hour gets enormous ratings and I know it's massively important to the audience. In addition, presumaby you would have to switch it all around during the school holidays, which would be totally confusing.
BB
BBCME Founding member
Totally agree a complete overall of all BBC channels should happen, reducing the entertainment channels down to 3.

BBC One - Mostly unchanged. Premier drama, family entertainment, major events and sport, appointment to view news.

BBC Two - Aimed at over 40's. Most of it's existing content plus that from BBC Four.

BBC Three - Aimed at under 40's. Existing content from Three and some from Two.
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A former member
Does the BBC need to lose a channel? If not How would the overhaul of the 4 core channels result in a better BBC?

Also how easy is it to switch feed? ie Red button stream, A channel taken it feed from different sources?
WP
WillPS
gonzo posted:
BBC Extra: A channel simply for times when there needs to be more coverage, can run in the same vain as BBC Choice and run repeats most of the day but can be used during the Olympics, World Cups or even Elections/Proms. A bit like BBC 5Live Sports Extra.

CBBC/CBeebies/TBBC (?); I would have this as with many Children's channels, From 6-8 CBBC programming, from 8-3 CBeebies, and from 3-7 CBBC again, ending with a bedtime story for CBeebies at 7.30/6.30 (which ever is better). I would after this launch into a channel that caters for the demographic forgotten by BBC, 12-17 year olds. From 7pm-6am I would run a channel showing 90's sitcoms (a little bit like the old Trouble remit) but also cooler Cartoon's like Aqua Teen Hunger Force and even commission original programming for young adults.

I think this idea (not just the bit I quoted) makes a lot of sense. BBC Extra could also show either CBBC or CBeebies content during holiday time alongside the single shared Childrens' service.
WS
WintrySarcasm
I'll shamelessly repeat by idea for a BBC Sports channel - it can cover sports the BBC has rights to, along with sports that don't have a massive audience. As such they could probably cover them without paying any rights fees, as the sports bodies would welcome the coverage, and would help promote these sports.

This kind of channel would also stop the annual complaints when events like Wimbledon mess up the schedule.

They can use reports from the BBC Sports Centre as filler, along with archive content.

The slots freed up from things like Snooker moving from BBC Two could then be filled by BBC Three content.
MS
msim
I'll shamelessly repeat by idea for a BBC Sports channel - it can cover sports the BBC has rights to, along with sports that don't have a massive audience. As such they could probably cover them without paying any rights fees, as the sports bodies would welcome the coverage, and would help promote these sports.

This kind of channel would also stop the annual complaints when events like Wimbledon mess up the schedule.

They can use reports from the BBC Sports Centre as filler, along with archive content.

The slots freed up from things like Snooker moving from BBC Two could then be filled by BBC Three content.


Sorry but that is delusional.

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