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Why has a televised charity event caused so much war on TV Forum? Wasn't it supposed to be about presentation after all?
DO
The question you feel you are answering is "what people want to watch in a telethon". This is wrong. You should be asking "what will make people donate".
Having a "boogie beebies" style session for 6-14 year olds will not raise a single penny for RND. While the entertainment has to be family friendly until the watershed, the programme is not aimed at children/young people. They can't donate money, therefore thier feelings on the programme can be ignored.
Remember, these people aren't doing things to give you an evening of good tv, they're doing it to raise money and awareness.
Tumble Tower posted:
I was suggesting the utter garbage that I listed be chucked out and replaced with decent humour, e.g. stand-up comics Jimmy Cricket and Jasper Carrot, as well as magicians, illusionists and perhaps a circus act, among a wider variety of live pop performances than we had last night. I bet I'm not the only person who hated a lot of the stuff I listed as "should have been dropped".
Why are you saying that? Just cos I suggested having a kids' slot the first half hour? I did point out that coverage on BBC One after the news should be adult material, did I not?
Okay, I suggested Pete Hillier do some Boogie Beebies style dances between 7 and 7:30 aimed at 6 to 14 year olds. He could come back after midnight to do some dances for adults aged 18 and over , i.e. more adult oriented songs to dance to, but the principle is still the same.
What do you mean I don't seem to understand anything? I had a right to voice my opinion about what was good and bad, didn't I? Also I had a right to suggest an alternative schedule which I personally felt would have been better.
I can only reiterate, my suggestion wouldn't have been predominantly music (unlike Children In Need), it would have been live stand-up comedians, magicians, hypnotists, puppeteers (John Garland), and so on as well as live pop performances.
Jugalug posted:
We're not all six years old.
Why are you saying that? Just cos I suggested having a kids' slot the first half hour? I did point out that coverage on BBC One after the news should be adult material, did I not?
Okay, I suggested Pete Hillier do some Boogie Beebies style dances between 7 and 7:30 aimed at 6 to 14 year olds. He could come back after midnight to do some dances for adults aged 18 and over , i.e. more adult oriented songs to dance to, but the principle is still the same.
JonathanEx posted:
Ignoring Tumble Tower who doesn't seem to understand anything, I think it was a pretty good night overall. On the whole, very slick, some very funny bits (others bombed, but there we go) and very powerful appeal films. Tennant worked very well as a presenter.
What do you mean I don't seem to understand anything? I had a right to voice my opinion about what was good and bad, didn't I? Also I had a right to suggest an alternative schedule which I personally felt would have been better.
I can only reiterate, my suggestion wouldn't have been predominantly music (unlike Children In Need), it would have been live stand-up comedians, magicians, hypnotists, puppeteers (John Garland), and so on as well as live pop performances.
The question you feel you are answering is "what people want to watch in a telethon". This is wrong. You should be asking "what will make people donate".
Having a "boogie beebies" style session for 6-14 year olds will not raise a single penny for RND. While the entertainment has to be family friendly until the watershed, the programme is not aimed at children/young people. They can't donate money, therefore thier feelings on the programme can be ignored.
Remember, these people aren't doing things to give you an evening of good tv, they're doing it to raise money and awareness.
PH
Anyone who thinks Jimmy Cricket should be on BBC1 primetime in 2009 cannot be taken seriously. 1983/4 perhaps (and boy it was at a push then).
TT
I hear what you say, but comedy doesn't have to be utter garbage. Seriously I feel we could have done without Victorian Dragon's Den and The Apprentice. I didn't see much fun or humour in either.
Well I think stand-up acts such as Jasper Carrott and Jimmy Cricket, as well as things like a circus act would be funny and make people donate. More so than that bit with the England footballers. Where was the fun in that sketch? Totally devoid of fun and humour, IMHO. I've already said, that was about as amusing as watching paint dry. During the footballers' bit I began doing bits of tidying up in my room, and looking at the Eurovision 2009 thread on TV Forum as I became so bored.
It would be a good laugh, seeing kids that age on stage dancing along with Pete Hillier. More fun than some of the garbage that was shown the first hour Friday evening. Of course kids watching at home would be able to join in and copy the dancing.
Have you ever watched Children In Need? Children have been known to give their week's pocket money to that.
Well going by the last ten years, Children In Need always seems to come up with a much better line-up of evening entertainment than RND. Charity fundraising or no, you want a decent evening of entertainment to watch on TV, not a load of rubbish.
Well I saw Jimmy Cricket live at Blackpool Pleasure Beach last year, he seemed humourous enough for Comic Relief to me. Much better than The Apprentice, and definitely better than the England Footballers' slot (which was downright boring).
I've also mentioned puppeteer John Garland and Illusionist Phoenix International. I also saw those live at Blackpool Pleasure Beach, in the same evening as Jimmy Cricket. They were all part of a triple act entertainment evening as follows:
1) Puppeteer John Garland
2) Illusionist Phoenix International
(interval)
3) Stand-up comedian Jimmy Cricket
All three acts were great, in my opinion. Good enough for getting viewers to donate Comic Relief night, I say. Put it this way, all three were definitely much more entertaining and exciting than Victorian Dragon's Den, The Apprentice and the England Footballers.
Again, celebrities tightrope walking over a ball pit would be more of a laugh than some of the dross we had to endure, i.e. the footballers' sketch, Victorian Dragons' Den, The Apprentice. Basically it would have been an "It's A Knockout" style game. By the way, do you remember "It's A Knockout" from yesteryear? Surely seeing adult celebrities trying to cross a tightrope, and the majority of the group fall into the ballpit would have had everyone laughing. This is just one example of an "It's A Knockout" style game they could have included, they could have had a few more than that, to make people laugh and donate.
Again, back to the footballers' bit, they were in a boardroom wearing suits. Those footballers, donning their football kit, and red noses, could have been the team doing the tightrope walking in the studio. Wouldn't it have been much more exciting seeing most of them fall in the ballpit (and thus crawl out) and only one or two make it across, rather than them sitting round the table in a boardroom talking? You've grasped the point yourself, people associate ballpits with young children, so surely seeing adult celebs falling into one would for that very reason make people laugh and donate .
AJ posted:
Comedy isn't about being factually accurate about things - I mean would it be funny if they went on about dates and Marconi-EMI 405 line systems etc?
I hear what you say, but comedy doesn't have to be utter garbage. Seriously I feel we could have done without Victorian Dragon's Den and The Apprentice. I didn't see much fun or humour in either.
dosxuk posted:
The question you feel you are answering is "what people want to watch in a telethon". This is wrong. You should be asking "what will make people donate".
Well I think stand-up acts such as Jasper Carrott and Jimmy Cricket, as well as things like a circus act would be funny and make people donate. More so than that bit with the England footballers. Where was the fun in that sketch? Totally devoid of fun and humour, IMHO. I've already said, that was about as amusing as watching paint dry. During the footballers' bit I began doing bits of tidying up in my room, and looking at the Eurovision 2009 thread on TV Forum as I became so bored.
dosxuk posted:
Having a "boogie beebies" style session for 6-14 year olds will not raise a single penny for RND.
It would be a good laugh, seeing kids that age on stage dancing along with Pete Hillier. More fun than some of the garbage that was shown the first hour Friday evening. Of course kids watching at home would be able to join in and copy the dancing.
dosxuk posted:
While the entertainment has to be family friendly until the watershed, the programme is not aimed at children/young people. They can't donate money, therefore thier feelings on the programme can be ignored.
Have you ever watched Children In Need? Children have been known to give their week's pocket money to that.
dosxuk posted:
Remember, these people aren't doing things to give you an evening of good tv, they're doing it to raise money and awareness.
Well going by the last ten years, Children In Need always seems to come up with a much better line-up of evening entertainment than RND. Charity fundraising or no, you want a decent evening of entertainment to watch on TV, not a load of rubbish.
philglossop posted:
Anyone who thinks Jimmy Cricket should be on BBC1 primetime in 2009 cannot be taken seriously. 1983/4 perhaps (and boy it was at a push then).
Well I saw Jimmy Cricket live at Blackpool Pleasure Beach last year, he seemed humourous enough for Comic Relief to me. Much better than The Apprentice, and definitely better than the England Footballers' slot (which was downright boring).
I've also mentioned puppeteer John Garland and Illusionist Phoenix International. I also saw those live at Blackpool Pleasure Beach, in the same evening as Jimmy Cricket. They were all part of a triple act entertainment evening as follows:
1) Puppeteer John Garland
2) Illusionist Phoenix International
(interval)
3) Stand-up comedian Jimmy Cricket
All three acts were great, in my opinion. Good enough for getting viewers to donate Comic Relief night, I say. Put it this way, all three were definitely much more entertaining and exciting than Victorian Dragon's Den, The Apprentice and the England Footballers.
AJ posted:
If you think watching celebrities tightrope walk over a ball pit would be hilarously funny, perhaps you should watch kids TV. Or Cirque-de-celebrite on Sky1. Modern comedy obviously isn't for you.
Again, celebrities tightrope walking over a ball pit would be more of a laugh than some of the dross we had to endure, i.e. the footballers' sketch, Victorian Dragons' Den, The Apprentice. Basically it would have been an "It's A Knockout" style game. By the way, do you remember "It's A Knockout" from yesteryear? Surely seeing adult celebrities trying to cross a tightrope, and the majority of the group fall into the ballpit would have had everyone laughing. This is just one example of an "It's A Knockout" style game they could have included, they could have had a few more than that, to make people laugh and donate.
Again, back to the footballers' bit, they were in a boardroom wearing suits. Those footballers, donning their football kit, and red noses, could have been the team doing the tightrope walking in the studio. Wouldn't it have been much more exciting seeing most of them fall in the ballpit (and thus crawl out) and only one or two make it across, rather than them sitting round the table in a boardroom talking? You've grasped the point yourself, people associate ballpits with young children, so surely seeing adult celebs falling into one would for that very reason make people laugh and donate .
PH
So basically it's slapstick, ball pools, kids dancing, comics and ideas from the early 1980's. Perhaps, just perhaps we've all moved on?
The only thing missing from your post TT was Paul Daniels.
The only thing missing from your post TT was Paul Daniels.
TT
Well I did say a few messages earlier have a magician in as well. It could have been Paul Daniels. Five years ago I happened to be at an evening dinner, which was followed up by a magician. Can't remember his name, but he would be a good one for RND.
philglossop posted:
So basically it's slapstick, ball pools, kids dancing, comics and ideas from the early 1980's. Perhaps, just perhaps we've all moved on?
The only thing missing from your post TT was Paul Daniels.
The only thing missing from your post TT was Paul Daniels.
Well I did say a few messages earlier have a magician in as well. It could have been Paul Daniels. Five years ago I happened to be at an evening dinner, which was followed up by a magician. Can't remember his name, but he would be a good one for RND.
TT
Right. I've bragged on about RND 09 a lot, and how it should have been. This is what I wrote about RND 05 and RND 07.
RED NOSE DAY 2005 - Friday 11 March 2005
Features
Harry Hill, Dick and Dom, Comic Relief Does Fame Academy, Little Little Britain
The Vicar of Dibley, Blind Date, Alan Partridge, Smith & Jones, Drunken Fame Academy
Comic Relief singles “It’s All About You” (McFly ) and “Is This The Way To Amarillo?” (Peter Kay)
Comments
This year marked the tenth Red Nose Day. The first one took place way back in 1988, and since 1989 this has become a two-yearly event. Donned this year’s RND 05 T-shirt, but didn’t bother with a red nose, nor did I do anything silly with my hair as some did. As usual, BBC1 covered the event from 19:00 onwards that evening into the small hours of Saturday 12 March. Saw the show off-air until around midnight, and watched the remainder Saturday afternoon on video. The show opened with Jools Holland and R&B Orchestra. Jonathan Ross then appeared to present the show for the first three hours. What followed can best be described as mainly trash. Harry Hill’s “TV Burp” and Dick and Dom ‘s “Pro-Celebrity Bogies”, involving gunge throwing, were both a load of rubbish, in my opinion. A talent show “Comic Relief Does Fame Academy” took place piecemeal during the first three hours, though it failed to impress me. The first decent bit was this year’s “original” Comic Relief Single “It’s All About You” by McFly. Better still though was Peter Kay’s “Is This The Way To Amarillo?”. An impressive video, though all was revealed how it was filmed, with a green background! Definitely the best bit so far. After that came the first part of “Little Little Britain”, and The Vicar of Dibley, both of which were rubbish. Things didn’t get any better when Graham Norton took over presenting after the 10 o’Clock News. This phase of the show included another performance from McFly, the second instalment of “Little Little Britain”, a one-off edition of Blind Date, and an appearance of the duo Smith & Jones. Alan Partridge appeared a couple of times, one of which was with the Milky Bar Kid. From quarter to one Chris Evans took hosted of the rest of the show. This phase began with a repeat showing of Peter Kay’s “Is This The Way To Amarillo?” video, followed by the announcement that this would become “the other” Comic Relief single. Things got worse still after that. Endured a few rounds of Drunken Fame Academy, in which the performers totally ruined good songs. Saw a final helping of Little Little Britain. By 2:25 Saturday morning the grand total was Ł37,809,564. Well done to all the fundraisers who chipped in to that colossal sum. The show ended with Peter Kay performing “Is This The Way To Amarillo?” in the studio. This included on-screen lyrics for viewers at home to join in, and I for one sang along, to me this was the highlight of the whole evening! As if all this was not enough, a separate programme “When Johnny Met Keira” followed on at 2:27, but I didn’t bother with that having had enough already! On the whole, a somewhat disappointing evening’s viewing. Charity fundraising or not, fun need not be yuck.
RED NOSE DAY 2007 - Friday 16 March 2007
Features
Comic Relief single “Walk This Way” (Girls Aloud and Sugababes), other pop performances
Harry Hill, Little Britain, Beat The Boss, Fame Academy, The Vicar of Dibley, Pro-Celebrity Karaoke
Top Gear, The Apprentice, Deal or No Deal, The Mighty Boosh, Celebrity Number Wang
Comments
“The Big One”. That was the theme behind this year’s Red Nose Day. As always the BBC covered the show from 19:00 until the small hours of Saturday morning. Once again, I saw the show off-air from 19:00 to midnight, and the rest next day on video. This time I had two RND 07 T-shirts, a white one for Friday and red one for Saturday. Didn’t bother wearing a red nose or doing silly things with my hair though. The BBC1 “Hippos” ident at the start of the show got the Red Nose Day treatment, with the hippos donning red noses. Girls Aloud and Sugababes kicked off the action with their performance of the Comic Relief single “Walk This Way”, before Lenny Henry and Fearne Cotton appeared. Thereafter entertainment was none too brilliant. It included “Mr. Bean’s Wedding”, “Harry Hill’s TV Burp”, “Little Britain” and “Comic Relief Does Beat The Boss”, none of which were to my taste. One of the best items was the grand final of Comic Relief Does Fame Academy. The two finalists were Trisha singing “If I Ain’t Got You”, and Tara singing “These Boots Are Made For Walking”. Tara won. A little later there was a short episode of “The Vicar of Dibley”, said to be the final ever edition. Next up was “Pro-Celebrity Karaoke”, in which Phoenix Night's Brian Potter and Little Britain's Andy Pipkin sang “5,000 Miles”. They were joined by several other celebrities including David Bellamy, Tony Blackburn, Jasper Carrott and Krankies, plus Bob the Builder, Basil Brush, Dusty Bin, and Postman Pat. By far this was the best piece of entertainment all evening. As expected, the entertainment was interspersed with appeal films, Ant and Dec reported on Kenya, and there were also films relating to UK projects benefiting from Comic Relief. Finally Take That performed “Patience” before BBC1 broke for the 10 o’Clock News at 22:00. The fun continued on BBC2 with a half hour special of Top Gear. This included songs from pop groups Trellis and Supergrass. Finally McFly performed the song they had written in half an hour, “Sofa, Hyundai, Administration”. Back on BBC1, Jonathan Ross appeared to present the show until midnight. First up was “When the Prime Minister Met Katherine Tate”, followed by a Comic Relief special of “The Apprentice”, featuring Alan Sugar. Later Chris Moyles did “Red Nose Rallyoke”, and The Killers sang “Read My Mind”. Around midnight Graham Norton began hosting the show. His reign began with a repeat of Pro-Celebrity Karaoke “5,000 Miles” from earlier. This was followed by sketches from Catherine Tate and Little Britain. The best bit of what remained of the show came next: the Comic Relief Rat Pack Chris Moyles, Patrick Kielty, Jimmy Carr performed “My Way”, with karaoke lyrics on screen. After that Noel Edmonds hosted a special edition of “Deal or No Deal”. Another presenter took over after around 1:30 for the final hour or so. This part of the show included Carol Vorderman and Johnny Ball participating in a game show “Celebrity Number Wang”. Towards the end The Greatest Worst Bits of Comic Relief featured clips from past years, followed by highlights of the 2007 show. The end of evening grand total was Ł40,236,142. Well done to all who contributed to that colossal sum. On the whole, a disappointing evening really. I’d sooner have had more pop performances.
Conclusion
So there you have it, my opinion on Red Nose Day 2005 and 2007. Both those weren't up to much either. At least the 2005 one had "Amarillo" in it, and 2007 had "5,000 Miles". No equivalent this time. Why not?
Basically, looking back at 2005, 2007 and 2009 each is worse than the previous one. 2005 was bad enough, 2007 was worse and 2009 was worse still. I dread to think what 2011 will be. Unwatchable pap, if this trend continues. I hope the BBC will turn the trend around and make the effort to give us a decent show then. Something along the lines of what I've suggested.
RED NOSE DAY 2005 - Friday 11 March 2005
Features
Harry Hill, Dick and Dom, Comic Relief Does Fame Academy, Little Little Britain
The Vicar of Dibley, Blind Date, Alan Partridge, Smith & Jones, Drunken Fame Academy
Comic Relief singles “It’s All About You” (McFly ) and “Is This The Way To Amarillo?” (Peter Kay)
Comments
This year marked the tenth Red Nose Day. The first one took place way back in 1988, and since 1989 this has become a two-yearly event. Donned this year’s RND 05 T-shirt, but didn’t bother with a red nose, nor did I do anything silly with my hair as some did. As usual, BBC1 covered the event from 19:00 onwards that evening into the small hours of Saturday 12 March. Saw the show off-air until around midnight, and watched the remainder Saturday afternoon on video. The show opened with Jools Holland and R&B Orchestra. Jonathan Ross then appeared to present the show for the first three hours. What followed can best be described as mainly trash. Harry Hill’s “TV Burp” and Dick and Dom ‘s “Pro-Celebrity Bogies”, involving gunge throwing, were both a load of rubbish, in my opinion. A talent show “Comic Relief Does Fame Academy” took place piecemeal during the first three hours, though it failed to impress me. The first decent bit was this year’s “original” Comic Relief Single “It’s All About You” by McFly. Better still though was Peter Kay’s “Is This The Way To Amarillo?”. An impressive video, though all was revealed how it was filmed, with a green background! Definitely the best bit so far. After that came the first part of “Little Little Britain”, and The Vicar of Dibley, both of which were rubbish. Things didn’t get any better when Graham Norton took over presenting after the 10 o’Clock News. This phase of the show included another performance from McFly, the second instalment of “Little Little Britain”, a one-off edition of Blind Date, and an appearance of the duo Smith & Jones. Alan Partridge appeared a couple of times, one of which was with the Milky Bar Kid. From quarter to one Chris Evans took hosted of the rest of the show. This phase began with a repeat showing of Peter Kay’s “Is This The Way To Amarillo?” video, followed by the announcement that this would become “the other” Comic Relief single. Things got worse still after that. Endured a few rounds of Drunken Fame Academy, in which the performers totally ruined good songs. Saw a final helping of Little Little Britain. By 2:25 Saturday morning the grand total was Ł37,809,564. Well done to all the fundraisers who chipped in to that colossal sum. The show ended with Peter Kay performing “Is This The Way To Amarillo?” in the studio. This included on-screen lyrics for viewers at home to join in, and I for one sang along, to me this was the highlight of the whole evening! As if all this was not enough, a separate programme “When Johnny Met Keira” followed on at 2:27, but I didn’t bother with that having had enough already! On the whole, a somewhat disappointing evening’s viewing. Charity fundraising or not, fun need not be yuck.
RED NOSE DAY 2007 - Friday 16 March 2007
Features
Comic Relief single “Walk This Way” (Girls Aloud and Sugababes), other pop performances
Harry Hill, Little Britain, Beat The Boss, Fame Academy, The Vicar of Dibley, Pro-Celebrity Karaoke
Top Gear, The Apprentice, Deal or No Deal, The Mighty Boosh, Celebrity Number Wang
Comments
“The Big One”. That was the theme behind this year’s Red Nose Day. As always the BBC covered the show from 19:00 until the small hours of Saturday morning. Once again, I saw the show off-air from 19:00 to midnight, and the rest next day on video. This time I had two RND 07 T-shirts, a white one for Friday and red one for Saturday. Didn’t bother wearing a red nose or doing silly things with my hair though. The BBC1 “Hippos” ident at the start of the show got the Red Nose Day treatment, with the hippos donning red noses. Girls Aloud and Sugababes kicked off the action with their performance of the Comic Relief single “Walk This Way”, before Lenny Henry and Fearne Cotton appeared. Thereafter entertainment was none too brilliant. It included “Mr. Bean’s Wedding”, “Harry Hill’s TV Burp”, “Little Britain” and “Comic Relief Does Beat The Boss”, none of which were to my taste. One of the best items was the grand final of Comic Relief Does Fame Academy. The two finalists were Trisha singing “If I Ain’t Got You”, and Tara singing “These Boots Are Made For Walking”. Tara won. A little later there was a short episode of “The Vicar of Dibley”, said to be the final ever edition. Next up was “Pro-Celebrity Karaoke”, in which Phoenix Night's Brian Potter and Little Britain's Andy Pipkin sang “5,000 Miles”. They were joined by several other celebrities including David Bellamy, Tony Blackburn, Jasper Carrott and Krankies, plus Bob the Builder, Basil Brush, Dusty Bin, and Postman Pat. By far this was the best piece of entertainment all evening. As expected, the entertainment was interspersed with appeal films, Ant and Dec reported on Kenya, and there were also films relating to UK projects benefiting from Comic Relief. Finally Take That performed “Patience” before BBC1 broke for the 10 o’Clock News at 22:00. The fun continued on BBC2 with a half hour special of Top Gear. This included songs from pop groups Trellis and Supergrass. Finally McFly performed the song they had written in half an hour, “Sofa, Hyundai, Administration”. Back on BBC1, Jonathan Ross appeared to present the show until midnight. First up was “When the Prime Minister Met Katherine Tate”, followed by a Comic Relief special of “The Apprentice”, featuring Alan Sugar. Later Chris Moyles did “Red Nose Rallyoke”, and The Killers sang “Read My Mind”. Around midnight Graham Norton began hosting the show. His reign began with a repeat of Pro-Celebrity Karaoke “5,000 Miles” from earlier. This was followed by sketches from Catherine Tate and Little Britain. The best bit of what remained of the show came next: the Comic Relief Rat Pack Chris Moyles, Patrick Kielty, Jimmy Carr performed “My Way”, with karaoke lyrics on screen. After that Noel Edmonds hosted a special edition of “Deal or No Deal”. Another presenter took over after around 1:30 for the final hour or so. This part of the show included Carol Vorderman and Johnny Ball participating in a game show “Celebrity Number Wang”. Towards the end The Greatest Worst Bits of Comic Relief featured clips from past years, followed by highlights of the 2007 show. The end of evening grand total was Ł40,236,142. Well done to all who contributed to that colossal sum. On the whole, a disappointing evening really. I’d sooner have had more pop performances.
Conclusion
So there you have it, my opinion on Red Nose Day 2005 and 2007. Both those weren't up to much either. At least the 2005 one had "Amarillo" in it, and 2007 had "5,000 Miles". No equivalent this time. Why not?
Basically, looking back at 2005, 2007 and 2009 each is worse than the previous one. 2005 was bad enough, 2007 was worse and 2009 was worse still. I dread to think what 2011 will be. Unwatchable pap, if this trend continues. I hope the BBC will turn the trend around and make the effort to give us a decent show then. Something along the lines of what I've suggested.
PH
I give up trying to have a sensible rational debate with you Tumble. There's clearly something not quite correct with your rational thinking.
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