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Reboot
Seventyfour Two posted:
Reboot posted:
Seventyfour Two posted:
The Nurse posted:
Well given that it was released on video, I'd say it was a possibility.

They'd have to do something else with the missing bits though, maybe get Cosgrove Hall in again?


Given that large chunks of the story were never even recorded at all in 1978 (or whenever it was), how the hell would a Cosgrove Hall thing be able to happen? Remember, The Invasion 's animated episodes were matched with the originial TV soundtrack.

For certain portions of Shada there is no soundtrack, owing to the fact that nothing at all (neither sound nor pictures) was ever made. So, exactly what soundtrack would you propose that animated episodes are put to? Tom's narration?!

A "Cosgrove Hall thing" DID happen. Baker refused to do it (apparently him and Lalla Ward, his ex-wife, are on pretty bad terms), so they got Paul McGann in as the Eighth Doctor and did a slightly contrived prologue to explain why he'd be there instead of the Fourth. It's still on the BBC website, in fact: http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/webcasts/shada/

A "slightly extended" audio-only version was also released on CD by Big Finish, and later transmitted a couple of times on BBC [Radio] 7.


Oh, yes, I knew that the 8th Dr animated version existed Smile But I got the impression that earlier post-ers were calling for a DVD release of the original 4th Dr version, with animation just for the missing bits. It was that that wouldn't make sense.

I've never seen 8th Dr Shada, but I've always heard that the "quality" of the animation (e.g. the frame-rate, or something like that?) for the 8th Dr Shada was "only good enough for online", which - so I've been lead to believe - is therefore rather poor quality for watching on DVD (i.e. on a proper TV screen)? If so, then a DVD release of 8th Dr Shada may not be such a brilliant idea?

Look yourself - the link's there above, and it's free to view Smile

It's not "frame rate" so much as the amount of animation is limited mostly to a number of still pictures being manoeuvred on-screen, in a Flash version of something like Mr Benn .

Seventyfour Two posted:
If they were to re-work Shada on telly for the 10th Dr, as some have suggested, how that hell would that be explained narratively? It would be the THIRD time that the Dr has had exactly the same adventure! Confused

Narratively, it'd be damn near impossible never mind the Shada×3 thing. Given the emphasis they've placed on "Last of the Time Lords", could they really bring Chronotis and another - albeit even more primitive - Tardis in unless they're prepared to restore the Time Lords in general first?
SA
saturdaymorning
Seventyfour Two posted:
they're both canon, hence the need for an explaination at the start of the 8th Dr version (as a post-er mentioned earlier).


In my opinion they're not.
AM
amosc100
Seventyfour Two posted:
jrothwell97 posted:
Human Nature occurred twice - the first time was in the Seventh Doctor's era. All that happened then was that the old book was declared non-canon and was reworked for television.

The same could easily happen with Shada .


But, wasn't the original Human Nature book a non-BBC-blessed thing (published by Virgin?) and therefore was never canon, rather rather than "only recently being declared non-canon just to suit the RTD series" etc?

The original unfinished 4th Dr telly Shada was a BBC thing, as was the 8th Dr animated/online Shada. Therefore they're both canon, hence the need for an explaination at the start of the 8th Dr version (as a post-er mentioned earlier).

All post-1996 novels featuring old Drs are canon, by virtue of the fact that they're from BBC Books. Anything non-BBC published has no automatic right to be regarded as canon, unless the BBC decides otherwise in any individual books' cases.


The New Adventures and The iMissing Adventures were printed and edited by Virgin under BBC licence - therefore they are canon!!!!

When the licence was up for renewal the BBC realised how much money the books made so they kept it in-house with BBC Worldwide
SA
saturdaymorning
Whether something's canon or not is a matter of opinion.
NE
Neil__
saturdaymorning posted:
Whether something's canon or not is a matter of opinion.


Good grief, I'm actually agreeing with you.

I think the strictest definition of canon, which I pretty much hold to, is that the televised episodes are canon, all else is... open for debate.
MI
Michael
Neil Green posted:
saturdaymorning posted:
Whether something's canon or not is a matter of opinion.


Good grief, I'm actually agreeing with you.

I think the strictest definition of canon, which I pretty much hold to, is that the televised episodes are canon, all else is... open for debate.


However Dr Who is a franchise, not just a TV program. Dr Who continued between 1989 and 1996 by Virgin Adventures, some of which are damn good and provide an alternative to some of the silliness of the Late 80s Doctors (Return of the Living Dad is my favourite). The Virgin-publisheed "New Adventures" were Doctor Who stories, simple as, because they used BBC characters.

All it would take is for RTD to slip into a script a mention of Benny Summerfield and we wouldn't be having this debate.
AM
amosc100
Alexia posted:
Neil Green posted:
saturdaymorning posted:
Whether something's canon or not is a matter of opinion.


Good grief, I'm actually agreeing with you.

I think the strictest definition of canon, which I pretty much hold to, is that the televised episodes are canon, all else is... open for debate.



However Dr Who is a franchise, not just a TV program. Dr Who continued between 1989 and 1996 by Virgin Adventures, some of which are damn good and provide an alternative to some of the silliness of the Late 80s Doctors (Return of the Living Dad is my favourite). The Virgin-publisheed "New Adventures" were Doctor Who stories, simple as, because they used BBC characters.

All it would take is for RTD to slip into a script a mention of Benny Summerfield and we wouldn't be having this debate.


the series already has mentioned the time war which, basically, was the first 4 books of The New Adventures. I would still love to see those books turned into an epic dr who film - it'll be great
JO
Johnny83
Wow, never realised Shada would create a big fuss Laughing Well after copying it to a DVD (for my own purpose, my VCR is very tempremental so I was lucky to get through the whole thing!) I would say that it could work as a release. A documentary explaining why Shada is what it is would probably be all that's needed.

Shame Tom Baker & Lalla Ward aren't on speakign terms, I was lead to believe they were, must have heard wrong.

Time-flight/Arc Of Infinity just turned up in the post, something to watch tonight Very Happy
DA
davidhorman
amosc100 posted:
the series already has mentioned the time war which, basically, was the first 4 books of The New Adventures. I would still love to see those books turned into an epic dr who film - it'll be great


RTD has apparently said that:

Quote:
(in Doctor Who Magazine #356) there is no connection between the War of the books and the Time War of the television series.


which is referring to the Eighth Doctor books. If you're talking about the Timewyrm books, I don't recall those ever being described in terms of a Time War.

David
NE
Neil__
Alexia posted:
All it would take is for RTD to slip into a script a mention of Benny Summerfield and we wouldn't be having this debate.


Maybe, but he has been clear all along that viewers should not need to be aware of any of the content of the spin-off media to understand any on-screen stories, so I suspect he probably regards the CDs, books etc as perhaps 'semi-canon'.
JO
Johnny83
One thing that crossed my mind the other day, surely Romana counts as being an Time Lord (Time Lady in this case) that didn't fight in the war but crossed over to E Space, could they bring her back to it or is that not possible, not that, I might add, that it is neccessary for her to come back
NE
Neil__
Johnny83 posted:
One thing that crossed my mind the other day, surely Romana counts as being an Time Lord (Time Lady in this case) that didn't fight in the war but crossed over to E Space, could they bring her back to it or is that not possible, not that, I might add, that it is neccessary for her to come back


See, this is where continuity can get messy.

According to the CDs (and, I think, the books) and certainly the online update of Shada, Romana returned eventually and became President of Gallifrey. So she may have led the Time Lords intot he war.

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