FA
It's not that badly made, I didn't watch it, but then again, I didn't flick to dick & dom.
Some of the things were ok, I got the feeling it was Michael's brithday or something with them splattering him with that giant cake and showing photos of him, and that CITV summer 2003 clip where he makes the little plastic chair/table thing.
I didn't get the reason for the cheeky firls being on this morning, but they were fun as normal. It's as though they are only getting bands and pop acts in to perform, and that's it.
They could deffinately do with some sketches (and not just the one based on the question for watt hurts).
The doctor was good again, they could do with a few more characters like this that just spring up and join in with the show. Actually go looking for new comics that could improvise.
I see what u mean about being too overscripted to the fact that they are reading off autocue. Perhaps they should try the Big Breakfast/SM:tv early days thing off having no autocue, but just clipboards, and idiot boards when needed.
Or just write the scripts saying, 'welcome to show, link to such & such, comp details, link to angry beavers'.
Though that may end up a bit sloppy.
It could easily work so well and be the funniest thing in the week, if they let it. Let the presenters be themselves more, add sketches, different games, less tutenstein, use the guests, even if it's just to see how many tins of baked beans it takes to lift Michelle McManus! Crazy, stupid, possibly humiliating things like that would get them recognition, and people would tune in.
Again, I stand by my weekly term, week 2 was a great show, week 1, so - so, week 3, moderate, and from then on things have been slowly creeping back to show 1 again!
james2001 posted:
Probabally, seeing as no-one likes TutenStein. I attempted to give it a go again this morning, but couldn't switched off fairly quickly, you can almost hear the clicking of remotes to Dick & dom when it starts.
It's not that badly made, I didn't watch it, but then again, I didn't flick to dick & dom.
Some of the things were ok, I got the feeling it was Michael's brithday or something with them splattering him with that giant cake and showing photos of him, and that CITV summer 2003 clip where he makes the little plastic chair/table thing.
I didn't get the reason for the cheeky firls being on this morning, but they were fun as normal. It's as though they are only getting bands and pop acts in to perform, and that's it.
They could deffinately do with some sketches (and not just the one based on the question for watt hurts).
The doctor was good again, they could do with a few more characters like this that just spring up and join in with the show. Actually go looking for new comics that could improvise.
I see what u mean about being too overscripted to the fact that they are reading off autocue. Perhaps they should try the Big Breakfast/SM:tv early days thing off having no autocue, but just clipboards, and idiot boards when needed.
Or just write the scripts saying, 'welcome to show, link to such & such, comp details, link to angry beavers'.
Though that may end up a bit sloppy.
It could easily work so well and be the funniest thing in the week, if they let it. Let the presenters be themselves more, add sketches, different games, less tutenstein, use the guests, even if it's just to see how many tins of baked beans it takes to lift Michelle McManus! Crazy, stupid, possibly humiliating things like that would get them recognition, and people would tune in.
Again, I stand by my weekly term, week 2 was a great show, week 1, so - so, week 3, moderate, and from then on things have been slowly creeping back to show 1 again!
TE
james, I made a new pic or you're tvtome. Wether you want to use it or not is you're choice... http://www.freeuploads.co.uk/uploads/mom100_copy1.jpg 
Big Breakfast was brilliant, only time an autocue was used was when Kelly Brook presented it.
Big Breakfast was brilliant, only time an autocue was used was when Kelly Brook presented it.
JA
It's not that badly made, I didn't watch it, but then again, I didn't flick to dick & dom.
I have to admit I did. Though after the cartoon finished, after around a minute I realised why I don't watch D&D and turned it off. I don't find Dick & Dom the least bit enteraining. MoM might be scripted, but I still find it more entertaining than D&D.
I don't think TS it's badly made, it's just when you put the show together you get something that's too complicated for younger viewer and too slow-moving and boring for older ones. Saturdy Morning needs fast-movingand zany programmes, Angry beavers & Spongebob fit this perfectly (Sabrina would as well). At leas SM:TV got this combo right with Angry Beavers, Cow & Chicken/I Am Weasel and Sabrina. None of them really require too much thought to watch, whereas TS does.
james2001
Founding member
fanoftv posted:
It's not that badly made, I didn't watch it, but then again, I didn't flick to dick & dom.
I have to admit I did. Though after the cartoon finished, after around a minute I realised why I don't watch D&D and turned it off. I don't find Dick & Dom the least bit enteraining. MoM might be scripted, but I still find it more entertaining than D&D.
I don't think TS it's badly made, it's just when you put the show together you get something that's too complicated for younger viewer and too slow-moving and boring for older ones. Saturdy Morning needs fast-movingand zany programmes, Angry beavers & Spongebob fit this perfectly (Sabrina would as well). At leas SM:TV got this combo right with Angry Beavers, Cow & Chicken/I Am Weasel and Sabrina. None of them really require too much thought to watch, whereas TS does.
JA
Some of the things were ok, I got the feeling it was Michael's brithday or something with them splattering him with that giant cake and showing photos of him, and that CITV summer 2003 clip where he makes the little plastic chair/table thing.
One of the things I wish they'd done, seeing as they showed Holly on TV a few weeks back, was to dig us Michael on the crystal maze and show that!
Talking of early SM:TV, I know this really should be a PM, but as it's here. basically, I was just wondering how you were getting along with those SM:TV videos. I don't know if you got it, but last week I PM'd you a list of what I do have which i could exchange with you. I know it's not much, but it's all I can find, mainly on the end of old-vids. Most of my videos consist either of home movies or music videos, as that's all I've really taped over the last 5 years that I wanted to keep. All I can find which might be of interest programme-wise are 4 editions of CD:UK (all from this year), the 2nd series of Demon headmaster (taped in 1998), the Big Brother 2001 final (which I'm considering wiping), some old EastEnders eps (Planning to wipe most of them, except the ones I exchanged on here with TWO Ident) and the last 3 SM:TVs.
Well, anything to get an SM:TV-esque cult show must be a good thing. The producers should really stick in more of the suprising into the show, that the presenters don't even know about. When Holly & Stephen splattered that big cake on Michael, it was obviously scripted and he knew about it- if things like that happenned, but the presenters involved were unaware, it would be much better. It is too scripted at the moment, the more
Oh, and another thing- get rid of that lift thing. There's not really much point having something that's used for around 3 seconds at the start of the show. Also get rid of "Charlotte Church" as a question answer. Surely with all the money she now has, she can afford to sue for using her name like that
james2001
Founding member
fanoftv posted:
Some of the things were ok, I got the feeling it was Michael's brithday or something with them splattering him with that giant cake and showing photos of him, and that CITV summer 2003 clip where he makes the little plastic chair/table thing.
One of the things I wish they'd done, seeing as they showed Holly on TV a few weeks back, was to dig us Michael on the crystal maze and show that!
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I see what u mean about being too overscripted to the fact that they are reading off autocue. Perhaps they should try the Big Breakfast/SM:tv early days thing off having no autocue, but just clipboards, and idiot boards when needed.
Or just write the scripts saying, 'welcome to show, link to such & such,
Or just write the scripts saying, 'welcome to show, link to such & such,
Talking of early SM:TV, I know this really should be a PM, but as it's here. basically, I was just wondering how you were getting along with those SM:TV videos. I don't know if you got it, but last week I PM'd you a list of what I do have which i could exchange with you. I know it's not much, but it's all I can find, mainly on the end of old-vids. Most of my videos consist either of home movies or music videos, as that's all I've really taped over the last 5 years that I wanted to keep. All I can find which might be of interest programme-wise are 4 editions of CD:UK (all from this year), the 2nd series of Demon headmaster (taped in 1998), the Big Brother 2001 final (which I'm considering wiping), some old EastEnders eps (Planning to wipe most of them, except the ones I exchanged on here with TWO Ident) and the last 3 SM:TVs.
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It could easily work so well and be the funniest thing in the week, if they let it. Let the presenters be themselves more, add sketches, different games, less tutenstein, use the guests, even if it's just to see how many tins of baked beans it takes to lift Michelle McManus! Crazy, stupid, possibly humiliating things like that would get them recognition, and people would tune in.
Well, anything to get an SM:TV-esque cult show must be a good thing. The producers should really stick in more of the suprising into the show, that the presenters don't even know about. When Holly & Stephen splattered that big cake on Michael, it was obviously scripted and he knew about it- if things like that happenned, but the presenters involved were unaware, it would be much better. It is too scripted at the moment, the more
Oh, and another thing- get rid of that lift thing. There's not really much point having something that's used for around 3 seconds at the start of the show. Also get rid of "Charlotte Church" as a question answer. Surely with all the money she now has, she can afford to sue for using her name like that
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A former member
The best bit of the show IMHO was the Cheeky Girls getting electric shocks. 
I am sure that the contestents did not answered their questions on purpose. I mean ever one knows that June is the 6th month of the year! 
I am sure that the contestents did not answered their questions on purpose. I mean ever one knows that June is the 6th month of the year!
FA
I don't think they used one for Kelly Brook did they? The show wans't designed for that back then. She had a clipboard, idiot boards, and had jokes written for her, or something.
The only time the Big Breakfast used Autocue was when they got new steadycams (complete with autocues) for the January 2001 relaunch, which was nice and modern, but just like MoM was too scripted compaired to the BB of old.
It started to return to its old ways a couple of months in. Things were still autocued, but Paul Tomkinson was good and adlibbed well for papers and competitions, Donna Air was thick but good and Amanda was OK (and she stayed till the end). It was a nice mix of the new music, titles, graphics and house, (which I thought were great, even the red living room!), and adlibbing. And then Paul left, Donna left, Richard came in, Ben came in as exec producer, and the show returned to the old BB, clipboards, yellow living room, big chunky graphics, and mad titles with people dressed as 'big' breakfast items.
teenage-monkey posted:
james, I made a new pic or you're tvtome. Wether you want to use it or not is you're choice... http://www.freeuploads.co.uk/uploads/mom100_copy1.jpg
Big Breakfast was brilliant, only time an autocue was used was when Kelly Brook presented it.
Big Breakfast was brilliant, only time an autocue was used was when Kelly Brook presented it.
I don't think they used one for Kelly Brook did they? The show wans't designed for that back then. She had a clipboard, idiot boards, and had jokes written for her, or something.
The only time the Big Breakfast used Autocue was when they got new steadycams (complete with autocues) for the January 2001 relaunch, which was nice and modern, but just like MoM was too scripted compaired to the BB of old.
It started to return to its old ways a couple of months in. Things were still autocued, but Paul Tomkinson was good and adlibbed well for papers and competitions, Donna Air was thick but good and Amanda was OK (and she stayed till the end). It was a nice mix of the new music, titles, graphics and house, (which I thought were great, even the red living room!), and adlibbing. And then Paul left, Donna left, Richard came in, Ben came in as exec producer, and the show returned to the old BB, clipboards, yellow living room, big chunky graphics, and mad titles with people dressed as 'big' breakfast items.
FA
There's still time! Yesturday showed that they've kept the outtake storeroom set, so they may have some more of all of them, maybe some of Stephen's early CiTV days! I presume yesturday they just wanted a clip at short notice of Michael, so they went to CiTV!
Good point, I never replied. Sorry about that. We've had the a VCR up the swanny, in for repair at the mo. Plus my mothers been ill, which hasn't helped the family situation.
Do those music videos have old MTV footage? As I only got SKY in January 2002, so I don't know anything before this.
I'm not sure if they did tell him, he played it off coolly, but look at his reaction to the cake, compared to the gunge in the toilet, now he knew that was going to happen!
It needs to be more free and open planned as it were. Perhaps something they should do is have things that can cause mayhem left around the set. Like buckets of gunge, water pistols, etc.
Perhaps they could do a 'mad for it' idea and have a big gunge tank that people go into throughout the show, and then get gunged at the end of the show. Yesturday's ending of the cheeky girls brother dancing was just rubbish. He may have been their brother, but where were the men to pelt him with foam whilst he danced, or the gunge and water for michael, holly & stephen to throw at him? He just danced!!
I don't get the point of the lift. If it were a ministry, surely they'd have a CBBC type lift (that acts like a proper lift), rather than a litle thing that moves down, they may as well have them running out of the set, the entrance, the doors, or anywhere.
Or like an old idea of mine, start the show with them (and maybe some of the audience) running into the 'actual' studio premises reception, linking to the menu, legging it into the studio where they can start the show.
james2001 posted:
One of the things I wish they'd done, seeing as they showed Holly on TV a few weeks back, was to dig us Michael on the crystal maze and show that!
There's still time! Yesturday showed that they've kept the outtake storeroom set, so they may have some more of all of them, maybe some of Stephen's early CiTV days! I presume yesturday they just wanted a clip at short notice of Michael, so they went to CiTV!
james2001 posted:
Talking of early SM:TV, I know this really should be a PM, but as it's here. basically, I was just wondering how you were getting along with those SM:TV videos. I don't know if you got it, but last week I PM'd you a list of what I do have which i could exchange with you. I know it's not much, but it's all I can find, mainly on the end of old-vids. Most of my videos consist either of home movies or music videos, as that's all I've really taped over the last 5 years that I wanted to keep. All I can find which might be of interest programme-wise are 4 editions of CD:UK (all from this year), the 2nd series of Demon headmaster (taped in 1998), the Big Brother 2001 final (which I'm considering wiping), some old EastEnders eps (Planning to wipe most of them, except the ones I exchanged on here with TWO Ident) and the last 3 SM:TVs.
Good point, I never replied. Sorry about that. We've had the a VCR up the swanny, in for repair at the mo. Plus my mothers been ill, which hasn't helped the family situation.
Do those music videos have old MTV footage? As I only got SKY in January 2002, so I don't know anything before this.
james2001 posted:
Well, anything to get an SM:TV-esque cult show must be a good thing. The producers should really stick in more of the suprising into the show, that the presenters don't even know about. When Holly & Stephen splattered that big cake on Michael, it was obviously scripted and he knew about it- if things like that happenned, but the presenters involved were unaware, it would be much better.
I'm not sure if they did tell him, he played it off coolly, but look at his reaction to the cake, compared to the gunge in the toilet, now he knew that was going to happen!
It needs to be more free and open planned as it were. Perhaps something they should do is have things that can cause mayhem left around the set. Like buckets of gunge, water pistols, etc.
Perhaps they could do a 'mad for it' idea and have a big gunge tank that people go into throughout the show, and then get gunged at the end of the show. Yesturday's ending of the cheeky girls brother dancing was just rubbish. He may have been their brother, but where were the men to pelt him with foam whilst he danced, or the gunge and water for michael, holly & stephen to throw at him? He just danced!!
james2001 posted:
Oh, and another thing- get rid of that lift thing. There's not really much point having something that's used for around 3 seconds at the start of the show. Also get rid of "Charlotte Church" as a question answer. Surely with all the money she now has, she can afford to sue for using her name like that
I don't get the point of the lift. If it were a ministry, surely they'd have a CBBC type lift (that acts like a proper lift), rather than a litle thing that moves down, they may as well have them running out of the set, the entrance, the doors, or anywhere.
Or like an old idea of mine, start the show with them (and maybe some of the audience) running into the 'actual' studio premises reception, linking to the menu, legging it into the studio where they can start the show.
JA
No, it's videos and that's it (Most are off The box. We didn't have MTV- or any music channel other than The box- proper until we got digital in Mar 2001. We got MTV in Nov 1999 & Nov 2000 as it was NTL's guest channel those months. Back then, MTV showed music
). I did tape 6 hours straight of The Box in May 99 but taped over it soon after. Most of what I tape now is off TMF as it's really the only place I can get them without being coated in DOGs. I didn't tape any between Sep 01 & Nov 02 either (I "went off" music for around a year), and the first 10 or so I taped in Nov 02 were messed up by the VCR (for no apparent reason around 10 seconds into each new recording the sound goes for around 20 seconds, and the picture goes fuzzy (It appeared to stop after I'd ejected the tape and put it back in the next day). I didn't realise this had happened until I'd filled the tape either, so it was too late to start again).
james2001
Founding member
fanoftv posted:
Do those music videos have old MTV footage? As I only got SKY in January 2002, so I don't know anything before this.
No, it's videos and that's it (Most are off The box. We didn't have MTV- or any music channel other than The box- proper until we got digital in Mar 2001. We got MTV in Nov 1999 & Nov 2000 as it was NTL's guest channel those months. Back then, MTV showed music
). I did tape 6 hours straight of The Box in May 99 but taped over it soon after. Most of what I tape now is off TMF as it's really the only place I can get them without being coated in DOGs. I didn't tape any between Sep 01 & Nov 02 either (I "went off" music for around a year), and the first 10 or so I taped in Nov 02 were messed up by the VCR (for no apparent reason around 10 seconds into each new recording the sound goes for around 20 seconds, and the picture goes fuzzy (It appeared to stop after I'd ejected the tape and put it back in the next day). I didn't realise this had happened until I'd filled the tape either, so it was too late to start again).
:-(
A former member
Having watched the Ministry every week since the first, it's now time for me to give my verdict:
Titles/theme music: The longer version worked better, and the logo was better in pink. I do like the idea of using clips from the title sequence in the breakbumper though.
DOG: I liked the coloured rotating one, except that it rotated too fast. If it had been styled after the original Boomerang DOG (which rotated to show the CN logo now and again) that would have worked better.
Insert shows/performances/features: Generally good, Cakey Sk8 and Watt Hertz work well on Saturday morning. Heck, I'll even entertain Spelling Smackdown. Agree Tutenstein is pants but that's partly due to CITV's tight wallet just recently. Good mix of guests, especially good to see the excellent Delays on a couple of weeks back, though MOM's music remit is partly stunted by the presence of CD:UK.
Presenters: At first thought the Mulhern/Underwood stretch sounded desperate but they seem to be working quite well. Holly's a good pick for female lead. Ray's cool, Tina and Gina are an original idea (but will probably be grating by the end of the run) and the Doctor is funny. (And that's absolutely fact, I'm not spoofing you off here)
The future? Well, it could go either way:
a) It will improve over time to become a well-loved and long-running show (just as SMTV was derided in its first few weeks but went on to success), or
b) ITV will want instant return on their investment and can the show by April if it doesn't improve, or
c) Charlotte Church.
Titles/theme music: The longer version worked better, and the logo was better in pink. I do like the idea of using clips from the title sequence in the breakbumper though.
DOG: I liked the coloured rotating one, except that it rotated too fast. If it had been styled after the original Boomerang DOG (which rotated to show the CN logo now and again) that would have worked better.
Insert shows/performances/features: Generally good, Cakey Sk8 and Watt Hertz work well on Saturday morning. Heck, I'll even entertain Spelling Smackdown. Agree Tutenstein is pants but that's partly due to CITV's tight wallet just recently. Good mix of guests, especially good to see the excellent Delays on a couple of weeks back, though MOM's music remit is partly stunted by the presence of CD:UK.
Presenters: At first thought the Mulhern/Underwood stretch sounded desperate but they seem to be working quite well. Holly's a good pick for female lead. Ray's cool, Tina and Gina are an original idea (but will probably be grating by the end of the run) and the Doctor is funny. (And that's absolutely fact, I'm not spoofing you off here)
The future? Well, it could go either way:
a) It will improve over time to become a well-loved and long-running show (just as SMTV was derided in its first few weeks but went on to success), or
b) ITV will want instant return on their investment and can the show by April if it doesn't improve, or
c) Charlotte Church.
TE
She used an autocue, thats why she left - people were joking that she dound it hard to read from the autocue.