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Documentary being made but where is it going to air? (September 2012)

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IS
Inspector Sands
I take it the copyright holders were Neil before he sold it off? Im lead to believe Disney does not control the original series, SO WHO DOES? Disney does hold the format rights.

It seems Media Merchants ended up being owned by HIT who sold it all on to Disney:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Media_Merchants
MS
Mr-Stabby
I remember in the late 1990s when they posted their whole website and pages on the end credits, so if you didn't have Internet access you could get your video on record and pause your way through.... how times change.

Several programmes did that in the 90's, they were usually called Databursts. In fact I think there was a comedy show that used them too, Fist of Fun maybe?


The one I remember it most from was 'Bad Influence'. In fact here is a clip Very Happy Don't you just love YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5zPUMltkCc&t=8m47s
BU
buster
Now in true TVF anorak mode does anyone know where Fun House was filmed because in the clips they showed today the ceiling above the studio audience had the kind of tiles you'd expect in some miserable office rather than a studio!


From watching a few episodes it looks almost like the audience is sitting in another room connected to the studio with the wall taken out? The set for Fun House was huge after all!


That's actually how the large studio seemed to be set up at Cowcaddens from the other footage I've seen - I guess it allowed them to have a small audience and use the full studio floor space at the same time! It did look very odd.
BC
Blake Connolly Founding member
I remember in the late 1990s when they posted their whole website and pages on the end credits, so if you didn't have Internet access you could get your video on record and pause your way through.... how times change.

Several programmes did that in the 90's, they were usually called Databursts. In fact I think there was a comedy show that used them too, Fist of Fun maybe?


Yep, Fist of Fun had a "Why not try?" listings type thing. Here's one from series two that seems, erm, relevant these days...

http://distilleryimage7.s3.amazonaws.com/306200c62fca11e2830722000a1f9d75_7.jpg
DJ
DJ Dave
Not really CiTV, but found this while having a clear out today

https://public.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pbhU26aONVDwt8fIxaRueAxM_TtvRsM5ZZS2wFOXYDgccHfTmU4WT4FMypfaRAmxMzsgMJ2NxVVgWNcgdkXLiTA/cf.jpg?psid=1
WP
WillPS
Also note that that clip is from that strange period when they went with daily stripped schedules. This meant that they burnt off brand new series within only a week or two which didn't seem like a good idea.


That was when the lady who used to run Nickelodeon at the time, Janie Grace, took over the helm and bought the idea direct from the Nickelodeon schedules. The only problem was it worked fine on Nickelodeon as the schedule was built around mostly imports and the back catalog of its American cousin, with series lengths that went on practically forever and were suited to high rotation (most old-school Nicktoons have a run of at least 50 episodes). Most of not all CITV series were 13 episodes in length and a show only lasted two and a half weeks.

The policy lasted 18 months according to The Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2003/mar/03/broadcasting.ITV posted:
Janie Grace, who was sacked just before [Nigel] Pickard arrived [as director of programming in 2003], only abandoned a failed 18 month attempt to strip and strand CITV last September [2002], though the policy had failed after six months.

Did the strip and strand thing really go on for 18 months!! Bloody hell, seems like about one half-term in my head.

Was this the lady who basically complained about her budget to a newspaper, as well?
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A former member
Was this the lady who basically complained about her budget to a newspaper, as well?


She did more than that, take a good read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CITV#Cut_backs_.282001_onwards.29
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
Did the strip and strand thing really go on for 18 months!! Bloody hell, seems like about one half-term in my head.

Was this the lady who basically complained about her budget to a newspaper, as well?


Yep, believe it was in The Guardian. Even went to the ITC about it as well.

By the time Ms Grace resigned, CITV was effectively running on a budget of less than half of that what CBBC had. In the early 2000s, CBBC had a budget of somewhere around £100m. CITV, by 2002, only had £30m.
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A former member
During 2001, CITV's budget was cut by 17% due to the advertising recession, CITV's controller Janie Grace publicly criticised Carlton and Granada Television, then the main controlling forces in the network, for underinvestment in ITV's children's service.[3] Grace went even further and complained to the regulator ITC. She make it clear CITV was unlikely to fulfil their range of programming commitments next year: she was also seeking ITC support for a radical change away from what she calls a sick, advertising-funded system. Her plan would have see the creation of CITV Ltd pulling in children's TV experts within ITV, and plus a commitment from the likes of Carlton and Granada allowing it to plough revenue from merchandising rights back into programmes. The plan would have seen a reduction in programmes made by independents and far more made by ITV companies, unfortunately the plan require backing from the office of fair trading, and a change in the law.[4] Further cuts took place again during 2002 which brought the total cutback to 25% of the overall budget (£30million less).[5] Despite the cut backs the ITC commented that citv had a "sustained an impressive schedule" were able to give "factual material a fresh look" and "continued to produce good dramas"[6] Just after CITV celebrated its 20th birthday in January 2003 Janie Grace resigned from the post just before Nigel Pickard was named as ITV's new Director of Programmes.[7][8] Nigel Pickard pledged to produce 80 mores hours of children's programming in 2003, against a target of 520 hours in 2002 and extend the range of programmes to include more factual and topical programmes and more mixed entertainment and drama,[9] which include a high profile show Boohbah. Once again Concerns about CITV and its current structure where highlighted by Angus Fletcher, president of Jim Henson Television Europe, and Anne Wood, founder of Ragdoll Productions, as CITV can only earn money from a currently unreliable advertising market. Unlike BBC Worldwide where the likes of Teletubbies, Tweenies and Bob the Builder have become a major money earns for the BBC.[7] Steven Andrew become the new ITV controller of children and youth. He oversaw the merger of Carlton and Granada's children's departments and started looking at benefits for a multichannel kids offering, with a new CITV channel. On-screen, various changes to the presentation team saw no less than eight additions and replacements in the space of four years. By September 2004, ITV plc announced the closure of its presentation and transmission facilities in Birmingham, signalling the end of CITV continuity from Central. Presentation was relocated to Granada in Manchester and all in-vision continuity was replaced by voice overs.

Further cuts back took place in 2005[10] added with the perceived rising costs of original production and the effects on advertising revenues following the ban by OFCOM on 'junk food' advertising within children's schedules from 2007[11][12] and increasing competition from CBBC and countless digital children's channels for new programmes (especially imported cartoons, typically from America). In the summer of 2006, ITV closedown its in-house children's production unit, as part of ITV's then on-going process of restructuring ITV Productions, and blaming the closure because of the competitive production environment, though ITV denied any intention of ditching its children's programming from its ITV schedule.[13] At the start of 2007, CITV's weekday afternoon strand on the main ITV network was axed after 24 years

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CITV#Cut_backs_.282001_onwards.29
JJ
Juicy Joe Founding member
So what are the chances of seeing some old school idents this weekend? Tommy Boyd making an apperance? Scally? Jeanne Downes? We will see - Id say the chances are very slim but ITV may suprise us??
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A former member
So what are the chances of seeing some old school idents this weekend? Tommy Boyd making an apperance? Scally? Jeanne Downes? We will see - Id say the chances are very slim but ITV may suprise us??


it would make up a lot for that poor doc last week
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A former member
Special CITV ident, and a Thames front-cap!

But a massive DOG - Disney style.

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