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Steve Williams2,949 posts since 1 Aug 2008
Indeed. I remember in the late 80s and early 90s, even though the Christmas idents were usually gone by December 27th, the surrounding festive presentation/trails would continue up to and including January 1st. So if they were continuing with the trails over that period, why could they not also have kept showing the associated idents as well? Always found that a bit odd at the time.


Well, there was an obvious reason why that was the case up until the mid-eighties, they were physical models which were set up in Pres A, so the less time they tied up the studio, the better. Presumably that was a convention they decided to continue.

I never found it especially strange, and certainly in the week between Christmas and New Year there were often quite a lot of regular programmes, including full-length Six and Nine O'Clock News. In those days too you never had any special idents, there was one which was used all the time, so it seemed exciting enough just to have a different one for three days.
bkman19901,467 posts since 29 Jan 2012
UTV Newsline
Some new programmes from RTÉ's Christmas schedule have been leaked out already with unofficial announcements.

There will be a full programme covering Brendan Grace's fundraising concert at The Olympia Theatre in Dublin with the Forget Me Not's choir before he had his untimely death to Cancer earlier this year. Some footage from the concert has been shown already on his documentary before his death called Brendan Grace Thanks for the Memories.

There will also be a documentary on the late Niall Tobín's career on stage & screen in Ireland & in Hollywood which will be shown on RTÉ One very soon. Actors like Stephen Rea & Holt McCallany will be talking about their working & personal lives with Niall over his long career before he had his very recent death not too long ago at age 89. R.I.P to him & condolences to his family.

I don't know the dates for these programmes as of yet. RTÉ will release that info in full after The Late Late Toy Show this Friday.
fanoftv8,257 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Central (West) Midlands Today
Used to be the week after Christmas was considered part of the festive period rather than mid November.

Indeed. I remember in the late 80s and early 90s, even though the Christmas idents were usually gone by December 27th, the surrounding festive presentation/trails would continue up to and including January 1st. So if they were continuing with the trails over that period, why could they not also have kept showing the associated idents as well? Always found that a bit odd at the time.


Doesn’t it stem from the mechanical models of the idents being set up in to a different studio that would be free over the Christmas bank holidays but would need to be used after the 26th? Why that continued for many years after the non mechanical models I don’t know.
However we have now gone from one extreme to the other with idents airing well before Christmas or the start of Christmas programming.

As for Christmas editions of programmes I also remember in the 90s that some specials aired between Christmas and new year and that daytime was flooded with family movies and classic sitcoms, etc. I can understand commercial broadcasters pulling Christmas specials earlier to attract viewers and advertisers before the holiday, maybe the BBC just follow suit.
JKDerry2,293 posts since 15 Oct 2016
UTV Newsline
Used to be the week after Christmas was considered part of the festive period rather than mid November.

Indeed. I remember in the late 80s and early 90s, even though the Christmas idents were usually gone by December 27th, the surrounding festive presentation/trails would continue up to and including January 1st. So if they were continuing with the trails over that period, why could they not also have kept showing the associated idents as well? Always found that a bit odd at the time.


Doesn’t it stem from the mechanical models of the idents being set up in to a different studio that would be free over the Christmas bank holidays but would need to be used after the 26th? Why that continued for many years after the non mechanical models I don’t know.
However we have now gone from one extreme to the other with idents airing well before Christmas or the start of Christmas programming.

As for Christmas editions of programmes I also remember in the 90s that some specials aired between Christmas and new year and that daytime was flooded with family movies and classic sitcoms, etc. I can understand commercial broadcasters pulling Christmas specials earlier to attract viewers and advertisers before the holiday, maybe the BBC just follow suit.

Commercial channels really want to attract as much viewers from November 1st for their Christmas ad revenue campaign. I remember an advertising company saying that the final weekend before Christmas is the last peak for commercial revenue for the channels, as this is when most families watch TV and go for a last spending spree.

The worst days for commercial channels are Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, Boxing Day, with a little surge afterward with the sales, but post Christmas is always bad.
JKDerry2,293 posts since 15 Oct 2016
UTV Newsline
Should we guess that Sunday December 1st will be the unveiling of the BBC One Christmas presentation?

I'd wager maybe even Saturday, despite it not being even December.

A November 30th launch would be a first. Can't see it happening, though. Still reckon this Sunday.

Usually the change in the backdrop design of the BBC Christmas website is the sign of the approaching presentation, so we should keep an eye on www.bbc.co.uk/christmas
VMPhil10,115 posts since 31 Mar 2005
Granada North West Today
Re: the talk about how BBC Christmas idents only used to be shown from 24-26 December.

Came across a comment on a YouTube upload of the BBC One Christmas 2000 ident (by our very own nwtv2003) which will be of interest to TV Forumers:

Andy Tennant posted:
Yep. I made this one. We ran early for the first time 'cos Friday was 22 December, so work had finished for most people and Christmas had started.
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Rich Tea608 posts since 16 Apr 2017
Anglia (West) Look East
Should we guess that Sunday December 1st will be the unveiling of the BBC One Christmas presentation?



Far too early. I recall clearly when the BBC's festive idents would magically appear on screen in the morning of Christmas Eve. It immediately felt like Christmas had actually arrived at that point and made more of an impact. It would be gone by 27th December, unless that date was a substitute bank holiday, if I recall. Infact in 1982 when Christmas fell fully on the weekend there was a double holiday on Monday 27th and Tuesday 28th December so I presume the idents hung around a bit longer that year. Does anyone know? Same for other weekend Christmases like 1971, 1976, 1993 and 1999.

Christmas is in December but December isn't Christmas. The BBC shouldn't start diminishing the festive season by pumping out their idents so early and making viewers bored of it all long before Christmas ever actually arrives. If anybody at the BBC thinks bringing out the idents this Saturday 30th November is acceptable then as far as I'm concerned they should be hung upside down from a branch of the nearest decorated 40ft Norwegian spruce for the next five weeks.

Bring them in on the Saturday 21st December, no sooner. That also coincides with the first day of the festive fortnight Radio Times and seems the logical option to me.
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Si-Co2,266 posts since 2 Oct 2003
Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
I tend to agree. This was mentioned in another thread recently, and here’s what I said there:

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My point is that when Christmas idents are launched at the start of December, by Christmas itself they already look familiar and nothing feels special about Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, Boxing Day pres. If they must start using Christmas-themed idents in early December, set the theme - tease us a bit with the idents but don’t show them all on the first night - keep the best ones back to be showcased on 24th/25th/26th December.

For example - and it’s just an example to demonstrate what I mean - they could have idents featuring different “characters” or objects/props (someone wrapping a present, someone buying a tree - Christmassy enough in themselves) but the final idents show how all these characters/objects come together to form a story you see played out in the Christmas Eve/Christmas Day idents.


I believe that in the cases where we had an extra bank holiday, Christmas presentation continued on this “Christmas Tuesday”.

The ideal time to introduce the idents, in my opinion, is probably the Friday evening before Christmas when it falls midweek, for the reasons Rich Tea states above. Many people (not all, of course!) “break up” from work that day and for them, the holiday begins. I don’t see the point in debuting the idents some weeks before any Christmassy programmes are shown.
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