SW
But if it had gone out on Wednesday, it would presumably have had to have gone out at 8pm - which isn't when the viewers expect to find it. It's likely it can't go out before 9pm anyway, so that means you can't have a 70 minute final episode, as this series did, and You're Hired would be chucked away on BBC2. Or it's split by the news and chucked away finishing at 11.45. Or the news is delayed to 11pm on a normal weekday.
There's been a couple of examples of Christmas shows being broadcast a year after the Christmas they were intended for. The forgettable nineties sitcom Dad had a Christmas special made for 1999 but it contained references to plane crashes and they realised just before broadcast it was going out on the anniversary of Lockerbie - so it was rescheduled for two days later, but then there was another plane crash in the news, so it finally went out the following Christmas.
Similarly, the third series of Not Going Out was supposed to run in the autumn of 2008 followed by the Christmas special, but the series then got delayed until January 2009. The Christmas special referenced the series so that had to go out at Christmas 2009, by which point the series had been axed, so it was flung out at 11pm on 23rd December. But that actually helped it get a reprieve, because it got a really good share of the audience in that slot, and when the Beeb then did a commissioning round for sitcoms that could play after 10pm, they pitched Not Going Out based on its performance in that slot and it got commissioned. But by the time it got on screen they decided to put it in primetime again.
Apprentice could have gone on tonight where one expects to find it. Regular viewers can't even record it, as again SPOTY's timekeeping knackers that idea up.
But if it had gone out on Wednesday, it would presumably have had to have gone out at 8pm - which isn't when the viewers expect to find it. It's likely it can't go out before 9pm anyway, so that means you can't have a 70 minute final episode, as this series did, and You're Hired would be chucked away on BBC2. Or it's split by the news and chucked away finishing at 11.45. Or the news is delayed to 11pm on a normal weekday.
Whod've thought TV shows were recorded months in advance? Shocking.
There's been a couple of examples of Christmas shows being broadcast a year after the Christmas they were intended for. The forgettable nineties sitcom Dad had a Christmas special made for 1999 but it contained references to plane crashes and they realised just before broadcast it was going out on the anniversary of Lockerbie - so it was rescheduled for two days later, but then there was another plane crash in the news, so it finally went out the following Christmas.
Similarly, the third series of Not Going Out was supposed to run in the autumn of 2008 followed by the Christmas special, but the series then got delayed until January 2009. The Christmas special referenced the series so that had to go out at Christmas 2009, by which point the series had been axed, so it was flung out at 11pm on 23rd December. But that actually helped it get a reprieve, because it got a really good share of the audience in that slot, and when the Beeb then did a commissioning round for sitcoms that could play after 10pm, they pitched Not Going Out based on its performance in that slot and it got commissioned. But by the time it got on screen they decided to put it in primetime again.
BF
Have to disagree. To be a pedant, it was his third fight of the year (although I'd hesitate to call the first one a fight - there seemed a far more competitive match-up in the crowd for that one).
And while it's easy to say 'he drew' it ignores the context - the reality was that the vast majority of the public and broadcasters had him comfortably winning the fight and I don't think anybody had Wilder 4 rounds up like one of the judges did.
Given he mental health struggles he went through and getting up from the knockdown in the 12th round was reason enough for him being on the shortlist. But then again that's just my view.
I'm just confused why the shortlist was suddenly halved this year - it hasn't been that short a shortlist in a long time so you then had a situation where nobody from boxing appeared despite 2 of the big 3 heavyweights stars being British.
Agreed though about SPOTY and Apprentice - it makes more sense to air them on separate nights. Airing it the way they did meant MOTD2 gets kicked over to BBC2 and Countryfile kicked out its usual slot. But then BBC do seem quite keen on this 'Winners Weekend' idea.
Though can't imagine some on here being too pleased if the Sunday news were delayed becuase of SPOTY overrunning.
End of the day though he had one fight which he drew. If it had happened six months ago it wouldn't even be remembered. Heck, AJ defended his titles months ago and not getting shortlisted barely registered a mention.
I still think airing SPOTY and The Apprentice back to back is a waste of both programmes when they could easily each anchor a night in the week before Christmas.
I still think airing SPOTY and The Apprentice back to back is a waste of both programmes when they could easily each anchor a night in the week before Christmas.
Have to disagree. To be a pedant, it was his third fight of the year (although I'd hesitate to call the first one a fight - there seemed a far more competitive match-up in the crowd for that one).
And while it's easy to say 'he drew' it ignores the context - the reality was that the vast majority of the public and broadcasters had him comfortably winning the fight and I don't think anybody had Wilder 4 rounds up like one of the judges did.
Given he mental health struggles he went through and getting up from the knockdown in the 12th round was reason enough for him being on the shortlist. But then again that's just my view.
I'm just confused why the shortlist was suddenly halved this year - it hasn't been that short a shortlist in a long time so you then had a situation where nobody from boxing appeared despite 2 of the big 3 heavyweights stars being British.
Agreed though about SPOTY and Apprentice - it makes more sense to air them on separate nights. Airing it the way they did meant MOTD2 gets kicked over to BBC2 and Countryfile kicked out its usual slot. But then BBC do seem quite keen on this 'Winners Weekend' idea.
Though can't imagine some on here being too pleased if the Sunday news were delayed becuase of SPOTY overrunning.
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NJ
Neil Jones
Founding member
Its documented Quiz shows are recorded months in advance and can often be block recorded very quickly. Bruce Forsyth said once he was delighted to be able to reel off an entire series of 13 episodes of whatever it was (I think it was Play Your Cards Right) in about two weeks. The cut off dates listed on Pointless may not necessarily reflect anything to do with the recording schedule, there just has to be a cut off point somewhere and its sounds better to say "up to April 2018" as opposed to "up to April 24th 2018".
Of course by the time you get to reruns and syndication and whatever else the entire concept of a Christmas special has gone out the window and its just a regular episode. Some series of course don't distinguish to a great extent that it is a Christmas special (Dad's Army was good at this and it tended to be an extended episode to keep in with the setting as opposed to hanging Christmas trees all over the set).
There's been a couple of examples of Christmas shows being broadcast a year after the Christmas they were intended for. The forgettable nineties sitcom Dad had a Christmas special made for 1999 but it contained references to plane crashes and they realised just before broadcast it was going out on the anniversary of Lockerbie - so it was rescheduled for two days later, but then there was another plane crash in the news, so it finally went out the following Christmas.
Of course by the time you get to reruns and syndication and whatever else the entire concept of a Christmas special has gone out the window and its just a regular episode. Some series of course don't distinguish to a great extent that it is a Christmas special (Dad's Army was good at this and it tended to be an extended episode to keep in with the setting as opposed to hanging Christmas trees all over the set).
BM
BM11
End of the day though he had one fight which he drew. If it had happened six months ago it wouldn't even be remembered. Heck, AJ defended his titles months ago and not getting shortlisted barely registered a mention.
I still think airing SPOTY and The Apprentice back to back is a waste of both programmes when they could easily each anchor a night in the week before Christmas.
I still think airing SPOTY and The Apprentice back to back is a waste of both programmes when they could easily each anchor a night in the week before Christmas.
I also can't fathom why The Apprentice, which airs an entire series at 9pm on a Wednesday and presumably builds up an audience in that slot, then airs its final on a Sunday....
Presumably because it makes up a "Winners Weekend", what with Strictly on the Saturday as well. Its 9pm Wednesday airing (it started on BBC Two before being promoted after two series) has been the case since it first arrived on the scene (though it used to air in the Spring and Summer before shifting to Autumn as it fitted around other commitments and events).
Didn't one series of the Apprentice air on Thursday nights?
BR
Don't tell the Daily Mail then, who did a "scoop" once when somebody told them an Easter special of Songs of Praise was actually recorded at Christmas the previous year.
I'm sure they've recorded Easter and Christmas back to back in the past too.
For the record, for those noting out of season recordings, Songs of Praise for Advent from West Cornwall as transmitted last Sunday was recorded on 8th September of this year.
Don't tell the Daily Mail then, who did a "scoop" once when somebody told them an Easter special of Songs of Praise was actually recorded at Christmas the previous year.
I'm sure they've recorded Easter and Christmas back to back in the past too.
JK
Don't tell the Daily Mail then, who did a "scoop" once when somebody told them an Easter special of Songs of Praise was actually recorded at Christmas the previous year.
I'm sure they've recorded Easter and Christmas back to back in the past too.
The Easter 2007 edition was actually recorded after the recording of the Christmas 2006 edition in November 2006 at Lichfield Cathedral, much to the dismay of the cathedral clergy and congregation. They finished the Christmas recording, with the cathedral full of Christmas trees and the crib. Being November it would not have looked too strange. However two days later the whole cathedral was filled with Easter flowers, Paschal Candle, pictures of the resurrection, and lighting to make it look like Spring. That really was taking the pee. They said it was down to "staffing issues".
For the record, for those noting out of season recordings, Songs of Praise for Advent from West Cornwall as transmitted last Sunday was recorded on 8th September of this year.
Don't tell the Daily Mail then, who did a "scoop" once when somebody told them an Easter special of Songs of Praise was actually recorded at Christmas the previous year.
I'm sure they've recorded Easter and Christmas back to back in the past too.
The Easter 2007 edition was actually recorded after the recording of the Christmas 2006 edition in November 2006 at Lichfield Cathedral, much to the dismay of the cathedral clergy and congregation. They finished the Christmas recording, with the cathedral full of Christmas trees and the crib. Being November it would not have looked too strange. However two days later the whole cathedral was filled with Easter flowers, Paschal Candle, pictures of the resurrection, and lighting to make it look like Spring. That really was taking the pee. They said it was down to "staffing issues".
HC
Haa. It's more to do with cost.
Despite the 'smoke and mirrors' swapping bleak mid-winter to mild spring in a couple of days, it's good cost effectiveness to use the OB unit to do two church services back to back, rather than rig, de-rig, and send the same crew back to Lichfield and repeat 3 months later.
They said it was down to "staffing issues".
Haa. It's more to do with cost.
Despite the 'smoke and mirrors' swapping bleak mid-winter to mild spring in a couple of days, it's good cost effectiveness to use the OB unit to do two church services back to back, rather than rig, de-rig, and send the same crew back to Lichfield and repeat 3 months later.
NJ
It wasn't an issue with the show itself, it was more to do with the fact there was a General Election and Sugar was at that time a government advisor and the decision had been made to avoid a potential conflict of interest in the run up to an election. The plan was to run Apprentice in the summer but it was later shoved back to autumn.
see here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8353370.stm
Plus it was the last series with a job as a prize which Stella English infamously walked out of and that forced a format change.
Neil Jones
Founding member
The heavily delayed 2010 series of Apprentice was particularly bad, being recorded over a year in advance. I believe there was a major issue with it effectively leaving the lives of Stella English and the other finalist in limbo for 18 months as under the old job format, two endings were filmed: Sugar didn't make his decision until a few days before TX..
It wasn't an issue with the show itself, it was more to do with the fact there was a General Election and Sugar was at that time a government advisor and the decision had been made to avoid a potential conflict of interest in the run up to an election. The plan was to run Apprentice in the summer but it was later shoved back to autumn.
see here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8353370.stm
Plus it was the last series with a job as a prize which Stella English infamously walked out of and that forced a format change.
JM
JamesM0984
I don't think the legal issues with Stella had anything to do with the format change. She didn't take him to court until a while later I believe.
JA
Worth pointing out said Xmas episode of Not Going Out actually premiered Comedy Central Extra several months before it was shown on BBC1!
Hasn't Not Going Out "ended" about 3 times now? But then it keeps coming back.
Similarly, the third series of Not Going Out was supposed to run in the autumn of 2008 followed by the Christmas special, but the series then got delayed until January 2009. The Christmas special referenced the series so that had to go out at Christmas 2009, by which point the series had been axed, so it was flung out at 11pm on 23rd December. But that actually helped it get a reprieve, because it got a really good share of the audience in that slot, and when the Beeb then did a commissioning round for sitcoms that could play after 10pm, they pitched Not Going Out based on its performance in that slot and it got commissioned. But by the time it got on screen they decided to put it in primetime again.
Worth pointing out said Xmas episode of Not Going Out actually premiered Comedy Central Extra several months before it was shown on BBC1!
Hasn't Not Going Out "ended" about 3 times now? But then it keeps coming back.
LL
London Lite
Founding member
Does Not Going Out usually have aerial shots of suburbia or is that just that actors can move between sets?