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VM
VMPhil
IIRC it can't be an exact copy because that would be a copyrighted image. Wikimedia encourages free alternatives.
BA
baa
Free unless there's no real reason to apply copyright to something too basic to hold copyright over, threshold of originality and all that. I imagine the same reasons that allow this would also apply to the official logo, they're going on the assumption that this logo is official anyway so why not?
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AxG
Wikipedia does allow copyrighted images, however Wikimedia Commons does not. The logo gets past this by being "This image only consists of simple geometric shapes and/or text. It does not meet the threshold of originality needed for copyright protection, and is therefore in the public domain. Although it is free of copyright restrictions, this image may still be subject to other restrictions. See WP:PD#Fonts or Template talk:PD-textlogo for more information."
DO
dosxuk
IIRC it can't be an exact copy because that would be a copyrighted image. Wikimedia encourages free alternatives.


From the licensing / copyright information for the BBC logo on Wikipedia...
Wikipedia posted:
This image only consists of simple geometric shapes and/or text. It does not meet the threshold of originality needed for copyright protection, and is therefore in the public domain. Although it is free of copyright restrictions, this image may still be subject to other restrictions.

and
Wikipedia posted:
This work contains material which may be subject to trademark laws in one or more jurisdictions. Before using this content, please ensure that you have the right to use it under the laws which apply in the circumstances of your intended use. You are solely responsible for ensuring that you do not infringe the rights to this trademark. See our general disclaimer. The use of this trademark does not indicate endorsement of the holder by Wikimedia Commons or the Wikimedia Foundation, nor vice versa.
VM
VMPhil
I guess I recalled incorrectly then! Thanks. The difference between Wikipedia and WMC can be confusing sometimes. Still, it shows that the programme makers were pretty lazy in using the correct logo. But then again I guess the normal viewer and the producers aren't that bothered by tiny details like this. Well, anyway, it's up on the iPlayer now so here's a screenshot:

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Click on the picture to see a full-size version

It's a lot clearer on the broadcast BBC One HD transmission, but I think you can still see the difference there.
DA
David
Shane Ritchie may as well have written "Dear Jim, I hope you die soon.". It was certainly implied in his letter.
ME
mediaman2007
Text Santa credits thanking all on screen 'talent' yet nothing for the production team, crew etc as there would be on any normal programme. How charitable.
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VMPhil
Text Santa credits thanking all on screen 'talent' yet nothing for the production team, crew etc as there would be on any normal programme. How charitable.


I'm pretty sure by 'talent' they mean everyone on the programme, including the crew. Not everyone has the talent to work a TV camera, or (and this is the only example I can think of because of the video's posted, but anyway) edit VTs.
CH
Chie
Text Santa credits thanking all on screen 'talent' yet nothing for the production team, crew etc as there would be on any normal programme. How charitable.


I'm pretty sure by 'talent' they mean everyone on the programme, including the crew. Not everyone has the talent to work a TV camera, or (and this is the only example I can think of because of the video's posted, but anyway) edit VTs.


All onscreen talent was credited by name. It didn't literally say "talent".
JO
Jon
Text Santa credits thanking all on screen 'talent' yet nothing for the production team, crew etc as there would be on any normal programme. How charitable.

But the thing is people don't really care who worked behind the scenes on a programme.
GE
thegeek Founding member
Text Santa credits thanking all on screen 'talent' yet nothing for the production team, crew etc as there would be on any normal programme. How charitable.

But the thing is people don't really care who worked behind the scenes on a programme.


The people who work behind the scenes do. It's how they get jobs.
FA
fanoftv
Text Santa was a good programme, tonight's felt better than the launch show, and a mixture of children in need and Saturday Night Takeaway. Ant, Dec & Holly did a great job, and over £3million isn't a bad total for the first year, unlike Children in Need & Comic/Sport Relief, they didn't say if the total contained money raised from Merchandise.

Does any body know what was used to create the backdrop to the lovely set design? With the animations, twinkling stars and many overlays, I presume that it was some Sort of display, but it seemed to fill the whole wall of Studio 1.

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