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See-Saw (1980-1989)

(February 2020)

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TM
ToasterMan
Si-Co posted:
I recall the launch of the See-Saw branding in 1980 - for some reason I associate the memory with BBC Two, but of course it didn’t move channels until years later. I think it was occasionally ousted to BBC Two when cricket or other special programming was on One.

You and Me, never part of See-Saw, was also shown on BBC One during term times, but was never billed as a schools programme and was introduced with standard BBC One continuity. When schools programmes moved to BBC Two in 1983, You and Me went with them and was incorporated into Daytime on Two. I suppose the See-Saw programmes could easily have done the same and became part of that strand, but this didn’t happen. We watched You and Me at primary school, which is I suppose why many remember it as a “schools programme”. That said, bizarrely we also watched Let’s Go! despite the fact it was intended for adults with special needs. I remember Brian Rix telling a story about Maud getting drunk in the pub and dancing on tables (perhaps that’s where I got the idea from, officer)!

I’m not so sure that the See-Saw name was particularly out of place once Children’s BBC launched. The programmes were generally for a younger audience than most of the CBBC strand - a bit like CBeebies is today, maybe? From October 1986, See-Saw immediately followed Neighbours on BBC One - did they still show two programmes a day once the daytime schedule launched?


The move to BBC Two was made permanent on June 22nd, 1987, (although, as you say, it would temporarily move there if BBC One had a sports or major event listed in it's place). This left the Children's BBC Birthday Mornings slot on BBC One introduced along with the new Daytime schedule the previous October, until that also permanently moved to BBC Two on September 12th, 1994 and had it's hours extended from two programmes to three.

The strand itself was rebranded as Children's BBC Two by the dawn of the 90's, and continued even into the first year of CBeebies until it ceased on December 20th, 2002 with Teletubbies Everywhere, for the reason listed below:

The lunchtime slot was binned when changes were made to the House of Commons sitting times in January 2003. Most business including PMQs was brought forward in the day, so to coincide Westminster Live was relaunched as The Daily Politics and was at about midday rather than 2.40. As the lunchtime CBeebies slot couldn’t be guaranteed every day it looks like they chose this point to finally axe that slot.
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Brekkie
These are where most of the shows I remember growing up aired, even though most of the classics rarely got beyond one 13-part series, but repeated often enough to capture several generations of 80s children. For me Bertha, Pigeon Street, Charlie Chalk and of course Postman Pat was the shows you wanted to see. The likes of Fingermouse and Bric a Brac were just not as fun.
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NorthTonight
These are where most of the shows I remember growing up aired, even though most of the classics rarely got beyond one 13-part series, but repeated often enough to capture several generations of 80s children. For me Bertha, Pigeon Street, Charlie Chalk and of course Postman Pat was the shows you wanted to see. The likes of Fingermouse and Bric a Brac were just not as fun.


I agree about the revamped Fingermouse, but the original Fingerbobs was always worth a watch. Always looked forward to The Flumps and Camberwick Green most of all.
WH
Whataday Founding member
I remember Jimbo & The Jet Set being everywhere for a brief time but he's barely remembered these days. I think he also used to be the mascot of a holiday company, maybe Cosmos?
TM
ToasterMan
I remember Jimbo & The Jet Set being everywhere for a brief time but he's barely remembered these days. I think he also used to be the mascot of a holiday company, maybe Cosmos?

I imagine it was because the BBC wanted a series to rival the success of Thomas the Tank and Friends on ITV, though it was pushed into obscurity by Fireman Sam, which the Beeb acquired from S4C for the rest of the Nation.
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Brekkie
Loved Jimbo. I know every generation says it but honestly do think those of us born in the 80s were pretty lucky when it comes to childrens TV.
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harshy Founding member
Loved Jimbo. I know every generation says it but honestly do think those of us born in the 80s were pretty lucky when it comes to childrens TV.

For sure we were really blessed with great kids tv from the 80s and early 90s
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TM
ToasterMan
Loved Jimbo. I know every generation says it but honestly do think those of us born in the 80s were pretty lucky when it comes to childrens TV.

Indeed, especially as most of them remained well in circulation through VHS tapes and even early digital channels into the early 2000's.

The main selling point was that it featured the voices of the late Peter Hawkins and Susan Sheridan (went on to Noddy's Toyland Adventures for Cosgrove Hall).

I watched a few episodes on YouTube and noticed how much of douche the chief was, I feel this served as the inspiration for Budgie the Little Helicopter a few years later, (both being 2D animated series about aircraft).
SC
Si-Co
These are where most of the shows I remember growing up aired, even though most of the classics rarely got beyond one 13-part series, but repeated often enough to capture several generations of 80s children.


Indeed, it surprises me in hindsight how few episodes of some of these programmes were produced. Programmes like Bagpuss, Bod, Mr Benn, Camberwick Green, Chigley etc were repeated for years and never seemed to get old. I’m not sure if all of these were shown under the See-Saw banner as many also appeared on Saturday and Sunday mornings or during school holidays.

In the interim period between Watch with Mother and See-Saw I believe the early afternoon children’s slot was only referred to on air as “lunchtime programmes for children”, which - as a kid - I never understood as 1.45pm wasn’t lunchtime. Lunchtime was 12 o’clock when ITV showed Rainbow, Hickory House, Pipkins and the like! I was back at school long before Mr Benn and Bagpuss started!
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NorthTonight
Si-Co posted:
These are where most of the shows I remember growing up aired, even though most of the classics rarely got beyond one 13-part series, but repeated often enough to capture several generations of 80s children.


Indeed, it surprises me in hindsight how few episodes of some of these programmes were produced. Programmes like Bagpuss, Bod, Mr Benn, Camberwick Green, Chigley etc were repeated for years and never seemed to get old. I’m not sure if all of these were shown under the See-Saw banner as many also appeared on Saturday and Sunday mornings or during school holidays.

In the interim period between Watch with Mother and See-Saw I believe the early afternoon children’s slot was only referred to on air as “lunchtime programmes for children”, which - as a kid - I never understood as 1.45pm wasn’t lunchtime. Lunchtime was 12 o’clock when ITV showed Rainbow, Hickory House, Pipkins and the like! I was back at school long before Mr Benn and Bagpuss started!


The Saturday morning programme “ disappeared “ in 1979 so never existed under the “ See-Saw “ banner. The Sunday morning programme shown at about 9am was branded “ A See-Saw Programme “ once it had been established. The Sunday programme was replaced by Play School Hallo Again! in April 1985, when the afternoon edition of Play School was replaced by what was in essence, See-Saw-esque programmes. ( Bertha / Caterpillar Trail / Lay on Five / Mop and Sniff / Whizz ). Some of these 3.55 programmes started to get repeated in the See-Saw slot.
TM
ToasterMan
Si-Co posted:

You and Me, never part of See-Saw, was also shown on BBC One during term times, but was never billed as a schools programme and was introduced with standard BBC One continuity. When schools programmes moved to BBC Two in 1983, You and Me went with them and was incorporated into Daytime on Two. I suppose the See-Saw programmes could easily have done the same and became part of that strand, but this didn’t happen. We watched You and Me at primary school, which is I suppose why many remember it as a “schools programme”. That said, bizarrely we also watched Let’s Go! despite the fact it was intended for adults with special needs. I remember Brian Rix telling a story about Maud getting drunk in the pub and dancing on tables (perhaps that’s where I got the idea from, officer)!


The irony being that despite the BBC (and by extension, the head of the Children's Department, Monica Sims), having rejected to syndicate Sesame Street from the Children's Television Workshop for supposedly "indoctrinating children through advertising techniques", decided two years later to produce a series using Sesame Street's primary teaching method of turning education into entertainment for pre-school children.

Though I suppose they also took note of Rainbow, which in hindsight, became Britain's closest equivalent to it, (not sure if Thames aired Sesame Street while it aired on ITV).
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NorthTonight
These are where most of the shows I remember growing up aired, even though most of the classics rarely got beyond one 13-part series, but repeated often enough to capture several generations of 80s children. For me Bertha, Pigeon Street, Charlie Chalk and of course Postman Pat was the shows you wanted to see. The likes of Fingermouse and Bric a Brac were just not as fun.


I remember reading that Julie Holder, who created The Flumps was appalled at how much the BBC offered her to write more stories / episodes ( she thought she would be getting too much money ).

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