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JAS844,336 posts since 26 Aug 2010
Yorkshire Look North (E.Yorks & Lincs)
I wonder how Sooty would have gone if Thames didn't lose their franchise. The change from The Sooty Show to Sooty and Co was down to them moving production to Granada, I imagine The Sooty Show would have stayed on if Thames had won (and so would Rainbow, probably).


I'm not convinced it would have lasted much longer - I can't remember when ITV finally got rid of that unique slot at about ten past twelve where Rainbow and some other stuff resided for ages but it wasn't too far away from when Thames lost its franchise IIRC and I suspect that when that disappeared, Rainbow would have gone with it anyway. If it were still running today it would probably be an indie production from Thames or whoever and aired on CBeebies.
Rainbow did get three more series from 1994 to 1996. It was retooled twice in that time though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_(TV_series)
Neil Jones5,834 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
I wonder how Sooty would have gone if Thames didn't lose their franchise. The change from The Sooty Show to Sooty and Co was down to them moving production to Granada, I imagine The Sooty Show would have stayed on if Thames had won (and so would Rainbow, probably).


I'm not convinced it would have lasted much longer - I can't remember when ITV finally got rid of that unique slot at about ten past twelve where Rainbow and some other stuff resided for ages but it wasn't too far away from when Thames lost its franchise IIRC and I suspect that when that disappeared, Rainbow would have gone with it anyway. If it were still running today it would probably be an indie production from Thames or whoever and aired on CBeebies.
Rainbow did get three more series from 1994 to 1996. It was retooled twice in that time though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_(TV_series)


Yeah the fact it was retooled twice in just three years suggests they couldn't quite nail what had gone before, but of course if the original show hadn't died with Thames it may have morphed into that anyway, but of course we'll never know. I suppose it could have lived on if they wanted it to but there we go.
Neil Jones5,834 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
Didn’t Geoffrey Hayes do very badly out of it, he ended up being a cabbie driver, he looked frail on Pointless as well.


Well apparently he was a shelf stacker somewhere and long after Rainbow ended he bought the Bungle costume at auction. That aside, yes unfortunately the demise of Rainbow didn't do Mr Geoffrey any good, probably the scourge of being typecast of working alongside a pink hippo, the one-armed "thing" with a zip for a mouth and a bear that insisted on wearing pyjamas to bed yet was perfectly happy to wander around all day naked. Wink
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zeebre12125 posts since 31 Dec 2017
How do rights work with Cartoonito? Bob the Builder, Fireman Sam and Thomas are shown first-run on Milkshake on C5 (Viacom FTA TV) and then repeated on Cartoonito (Turner Pay TV) but Nick Jr (Viacom Pay TV) is also owned by Viacom but these series don't air on it? Why sell repeat rights to another pay tv broadcaster when you have your pay TV channels to show them?
Also shows like Masha and the Bear and Super Wings are shown on Tiny Pop and Cartoonito, how does this work out?
Cartoonito just seems be a repeat channel with content from various broadcasters. It seems to have just a few first-run shows like Curious George, Daisy & Ollie, Little People and Robot Trains.
Neil Jones5,834 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
There's usually different broadcast agreements for FTA and paywall channels which doesn't always mean you can shove it on any channel you happen to own if it happens to be on Freeview. Most modern buying agreements effectively cover all the bases now so you can show it across your portfolio of channels but previously that wasn't always an option.

Cartoonito is a strange beast, like most of these things it started on the Cartoon Network's sister channel as a strand and it was later spun off onto its own channel (Boomerang also started as a strand on the American Cartoon Network and was spun off to house "classic" cartoons). Broadcasters are free to sell their shows to who they like as they can make more from this than they'd generate from ad revenue. Some archive Nickelodeon stuff ended up on Pop and Sister Sister, while not a Nickelodeon production in itself, was aired copiously on Nickelodeon around the world but it has been on various other networks as well.
OF99281 posts since 30 Jul 2017
UTV Newsline
How do rights work with Cartoonito? Bob the Builder, Fireman Sam and Thomas are shown first-run on Milkshake on C5 (Viacom FTA TV) and then repeated on Cartoonito (Turner Pay TV) but Nick Jr (Viacom Pay TV) is also owned by Viacom but these series don't air on it? Why sell repeat rights to another pay tv broadcaster when you have your pay TV channels to show them?
Also shows like Masha and the Bear and Super Wings are shown on Tiny Pop and Cartoonito, how does this work out?
Cartoonito just seems be a repeat channel with content from various broadcasters. It seems to have just a few first-run shows like Curious George, Daisy & Ollie, Little People and Robot Trains.

Curious George previously aired on Disney Junior, and Fireman Sam was on Cartoonito before Milkshake.
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Neil Jones5,834 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
Well technically Fireman Sam pre CGI was on the BBC for twenty odd years, the later rehash appeared to have coincided with the show's move to Channel 5 in 2008. It later joined the ranks of being infamous for having an episode banned when apparently an extract from the Quran was "accidentally" shown to be trodden on.
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zeebre12125 posts since 31 Dec 2017
How do rights work with Cartoonito? Bob the Builder, Fireman Sam and Thomas are shown first-run on Milkshake on C5 (Viacom FTA TV) and then repeated on Cartoonito (Turner Pay TV) but Nick Jr (Viacom Pay TV) is also owned by Viacom but these series don't air on it? Why sell repeat rights to another pay tv broadcaster when you have your pay TV channels to show them?
Also shows like Masha and the Bear and Super Wings are shown on Tiny Pop and Cartoonito, how does this work out?
Cartoonito just seems be a repeat channel with content from various broadcasters. It seems to have just a few first-run shows like Curious George, Daisy & Ollie, Little People and Robot Trains.

Curious George previously aired on Disney Junior, and Fireman Sam was on Cartoonito before Milkshake.

So Fireman Sam was first-run in the UK on Cartoonito for a time?
Riaz614 posts since 6 Jan 2016
It's easy enough reminiscing about the past but exactly what sort of children's programmes does OFCOM want to see on ITV1 / C4 / C5, and why?

Are there even enough kids in Britain to support a children's TV production industry in the future or is the market too small?
Mike516 (previously a516) 660 posts since 29 Jan 2010
Central (East) East Midlands Today
It's easy enough reminiscing about the past but exactly what sort of children's programmes does OFCOM want to see on ITV1 / C4 / C5, and why?

Are there even enough kids in Britain to support a children's TV production industry in the future or is the market too small?



If you look at what Ofcom says, it isn't actually trying to get more children's programmes on ITV, C4 and C5...

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1.19 Due to the changing viewing habits of young audiences, we consider that setting quotas for children’s programmes on the main commercial PSB television channels would not be an effective approach. To reach today’s children and future generations, broadcasters need to exploit the opportunities presented by the internet to ensure young audiences have access to high-quality programmes, but in ways that suit and reflect their viewing habits.

1.20 We consider that broadcasters are well placed to explore new and innovative ways of reaching children, to provide content that they both want and need. Each PSB already has a range of portfolio and digital services, which provide a solid foundation upon which they can build.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0023/116519/childrens-content-review-update.pdf