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denton1,002 posts since 4 Jan 2003
I recall hearing they had a bit of a nightmare with End Credit V/Os on Neighbours as a result of taping the show off the network feed for local playback at 6.35.


I recall an issue in the early days of the then new continuity suite (TV Con) when it went live in 1992. On one occasion, in the 6.30pm - 7pm slot, the desk remained "locked" on the VT machine that was playing out the 1.30pm network recording of Neighbours. The continuity director (think it was John Ashe) didn't seem to be able to cut away from the VT source, so the tape ran right through to the start of the programme that went out at 1.50pm (might've been cricket). Can't remember if we crashed into Inside Ulster Update or back to the live network feed. Equipment failure or human error - don't know.


From my memory of how that desk functioned, I suspect that he had it set on "memory rehearse"... which allowed you to practice the junction without affecting what was on air... he may have been performing the junction to an audience of two (himself and the Continuity Assistant). Easily done I'm afraid to say.
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denton1,002 posts since 4 Jan 2003
btw, Six Tonight only aired for up to half-an-hour, not an hour


I recall there sometimes being a Six Tonight Extra (or some such name), perhaps on Fridays (?) where they had a lighter half hour after the "news" bit. Don't recall how long that ran for though, might not have been a long term thing.

I also recall that in the 80s there were a few summers where the main news had a different name/set/music/presenters... though I think this was pre-Six Tonight.
JKDerry842 posts since 15 Oct 2016
UTV Newsline
Six Tonight did air for one hour. I remember watching it. My family used to have it on whilst we ate our dinner. There were occasions when it was shortened, it was not an hour every night, Fridays were certainly an hour long.
Steve in Pudsey9,395 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
This was, of course, during the Troubles, so there was plenty of news in that patch.

Thinking about it now, was it really sensible to have NI news following directly on from children's programming? Given the chance of the lead story featuring some death or destruction, it feels like the kind of thing that Ofcom would frown upon these days under the 'protecting under-18s' part of the broadcasting code.

I guess the same also applies to the hourly daytime summaries used to do, these were kept during the holiday mornings with CBBC doing the link into it.
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mannewskev447 posts since 2 Sep 2011
Scotland would occasionally leave Children's BBC mid final link too, so they could show a trail for BBC1/2 Scotland. If Simon Parkin was on, his intonation as he said goodbye to Scottish viewers made it clear he was carrying on, and that we in Scotland were missing out on the last bit of the broom cupboard seen elsewhere.


Sometimes there managed to fit in local trial without having to opt out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Hj2klz8DM

Yeah, it was a rarity they'd actually leave Children's BBC early, but we'd pretty much always miss out on the broom cupboard presenter's intro into the 5:35 programme (for the most part, Neighbours), as Scotland would do its own announcement. Worse, sometimes that link would be in vision from the broom cupboard and we'd get a second's glimpse of it, before the BBC1 Scotland globe came up so we could only hear the audio of what Phillip/Andy/Andi etc. was saying.
JKDerry842 posts since 15 Oct 2016
UTV Newsline
I remember, on a different note, how BBC One Northern Ireland used to opt out a hell of a lot during Children in Need each year. I remember we used to either get to see key national sketches or routines much later than the rest of the network, or sometimes not at all.

1996 was one year where from 7.30pm until 1.00am, Belfast took control and opted back into the network when they felt like it. We missed out on a lot of sketches and routines from the big celebs and programmes, sometimes only seeing them during the highlights of the night round up at 1.30am near the end of the show.

Now, Northern Ireland like the rest of the UK sticks to the planned 5 minute opt outs and that is it really.
noggin13,794 posts since 26 Jun 2001
I remember, on a different note, how BBC One Northern Ireland used to opt out a hell of a lot during Children in Need each year. I remember we used to either get to see key national sketches or routines much later than the rest of the network, or sometimes not at all.

1996 was one year where from 7.30pm until 1.00am, Belfast took control and opted back into the network when they felt like it. We missed out on a lot of sketches and routines from the big celebs and programmes, sometimes only seeing them during the highlights of the night round up at 1.30am near the end of the show.

Now, Northern Ireland like the rest of the UK sticks to the planned 5 minute opt outs and that is it really.


I think Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland historically opted out for the whole of the show (at least pre-2200 News) to do their own local show, and then would just record the incoming network feed and show clips of it within their main show. This was much safer and cleaner than trying to opt-in and opt-out of the network show where there were only junctions properly provided for shorter opt-outs (largely for the English regions)

In fact in the 90s there were later opt-out points that were only for the Nations and English regions who wanted to run later. These were sustained by network, rather than BBC London and South East regional content (as they had usually stopped too).
mr_vivian638 posts since 11 Oct 2015
UTV Newsline
I hated it when they would opt out of the network a lot. The problem with doing that today would be Social Media where you can watch clips instrantly rather than have to sit and watch the whole thing.
The Insider87 posts since 11 Jan 2003
Six Tonight did air for one hour. I remember watching it. My family used to have it on whilst we ate our dinner. There were occasions when it was shortened, it was not an hour every night, Fridays were certainly an hour long.


When it launched, Six Tonight ran for an hour on Fridays and possibly Mondays - but it was definitely only half an hour the rest of the week. Was it Crossroads at 6.30 on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays? Or maybe that had finished by then.

But certainly UTV went on to use the 6.30 slot very effectively. I remember the Monday consumer show, Check it Out, with Eamonn Holmes and Jacqui Berkeley, which got great figures locally. I can't swear to it (it's a very long time ago) but, by the time Six Tonight ended, I'm fairly sure it was only half an hour on Fridays too, with Sportscast or similar at 6.30.
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62305822,409 posts since 19 Aug 2005
STV Central Reporting Scotland
Cross roads was still three times a week until jan 1988. It then become twice a week, with Emmerdale farm getting the wed/Thursday slot. Of course this would have only been Jan - Easter? crossroads finished then.

North Tonight had Hour long news on Monday and Friday, A few other places did this aswell Central was only an hour on Fridays. IF UTV had spilt the sport into a different programme that is no surprise.

There is a strange fallacy that goes around saying many ITV companies promised an hour of local news from 1993 which is utter hogwash, nearly all didn't * a few kept the hour long on Firdays but the only two to promise this was London and West Country. London dropped it a year later and had after 5 starting, while Westcountry had alot of strange features..


Here is point where SCOTLAND joined late into CBBC: Scotland had Sportscene Rugby special at 2pm
Skip to 4m 30secs

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thegeek4,553 posts since 1 Jan 2002
London London
Scotland would occasionally leave Children's BBC mid final link too, so they could show a trail for BBC1/2 Scotland. If Simon Parkin was on, his intonation as he said goodbye to Scottish viewers made it clear he was carrying on, and that we in Scotland were missing out on the last bit of the broom cupboard seen elsewhere.


Sometimes there managed to fit in local trial without having to opt out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Hj2klz8DM

Yeah, it was a rarity they'd actually leave Children's BBC early, but we'd pretty much always miss out on the broom cupboard presenter's intro into the 5:35 programme (for the most part, Neighbours), as Scotland would do its own announcement. Worse, sometimes that link would be in vision from the broom cupboard and we'd get a second's glimpse of it, before the BBC1 Scotland globe came up so we could only hear the audio of what Phillip/Andy/Andi etc. was saying.

I had read in various places about the Broom Cupboard presenter introducing Neighbours, but never remembered it happening. The Scotland opt explains all!
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Col3,452 posts since 6 Jan 2003
Anglia (West) Look East (West sub-opt)
I'm happy to stand corrected on Six Tonight Extra; my excuse is our household were Neighbours viewers in those days.

Certainly by the start of 1988, the post-local news slot was occupied by Crossroads (Kings Oak) on Monday and Tuesday at 6.35, Emmerdale Farm on Wednesday and Thursday at 6.30, and Six Tonight Extra on Friday at, interestingly, 6.15.

UTV's regular news programme took a break in summer for many years in the 1980s by Summer Edition - sometimes a studio-set programme, but I also recall carrying location stuff, particularly from seaside towns like Newcastle.

For the last year of this arrangement - 1988 - the format was a short news bulletin at 6, followed by Summer Edition until 6.15, then a further 15 minute programme which differed each day: Which Way Now (Monday), Homework (Tuesday), Preview (Wednesday), Police 6 (Thursday) or Summer Sport (Friday).

By 1990, the Monday 6.30 slot was used regularly for consumer series like Ask Anne and Check It Out, or lighter stuff like Ronan on the Road during the summer. And as many of us in this thread are aware of, Blockbusters took residence at 6.30 on Tuesdays, Wednesday and Thursday from the start of that year.

Sportsbeat took the Friday 6.30 slot for a few years in the late 1980s/early 1990s; UTV also used that slot for Glenroe repeats, perhaps during the summer months - they were certainly doing this by 1992.

(I could plug gaps via the Glasgow Herald/Evening Times archive on Google Newspapers, but I keep having to fill in captchas for every page I view...)
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