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14th November 7pm (November 2008)

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BR
Brekkie
cylon6 posted:
We watch each year in the vain hope it will get better. It used to be an entertaining show and you would look forward to it, now it's formulaic. The BBC think that because it gets large audiences it's fine as it is, even though in some cases people are probably watching it because it's there and nothing else is on. Live shows are difficult but with a bit of planning you can make entertaining television such as Comic Relief.

There's nothing wrong with the charity, it's the execution of the end product that's the problem I have with it. I'd rather better performers gave up their time and effort to be on the show than tone deaf newsreaders and lead footed soap stars. If that was served up on any other show people would complain. There's not much variety with endless singing. We get singing on The X Factor or those Andrew Lloyd Webber musical shows. There is virtually no other type of entertainment on TV anymore.

Children In Need was never a lavish spectacle years ago, but it was an entertaining one and that's something that it hasn't been for quite a few years.


I think you've summed it up. The issue is it's far too much music. All the TV stars tend to do musical acts - but the popstars just go on and do their day job, unlike on Comic Relief when they tend to do something a bit different. Of course there should be some music, but it was virtually back to back all night - and IMO the only music really welcomed was the West End stuff which doesn't get a TV airing too often.

The show just needs a bit more fun in it - and I think they need to remember the fundraising aspect too. Don't just tell us how you spend the money, tell us how it was raised too - and by that I don't mean giving a plug to a corporate sponsor with a six-figure cheque!

I also thought the filmed (non-musical) segments were poor this year - the Merlin, Royle Family and Ashes to Ashes specials were just a minute or two each. Now we're not expecting full episodes, but they used to be much longer, generally split over 2 or 3 parts over the evening.

Also, what was the point of Tess Daly. She did the Strictly thing and that was about it, disappearing half way through the night - it's not like Strictly was on at 9am the next day. Terry seemed to do much more alone this year, and I think he was all the better for it, rather than trying to fake an on-screen chemistry with his ever changing co-host.
CY
cylon6
I think the criticisms of the show are valid, but people will say 'well it's all for charity' like that excuses it. There is nothing wrong with having a seven hour charity show but if you're devoting a large chunk of primetime BBC1 to it then I think it's fair to ask for something a bit more entertaining and varied. I know people enjoy it as it is now, but I think it could be better.

One of the reasons why Comic Relief works so well is because it's on every two years, in that time new comedy stars and shows might come along that could be featured on the night. CiN have varied it a bit more this time with Masterchef, Ashes To Ashes/Top Gear and Strictly Come Dancing but there is still a lot of singing. If we are going to have singing let the professionals do it, but no we get bloody newsreaders or weather forecasters and people from soaps with varying degrees of talent.

Also make it a bit more interactive with the viewers, read out a few more messages from those that raised money or make pledges. Try and find a female host with a bit more personality and wit that can work alongside Terry. The only female that fits that bill to me is Davina McCall. Fearne Cotton and Tess Daly are very capable presenters, but they're not entertaining presenters. It would be great to have a presenter like Paul O'Grady helping out, he'd be hilarious and get the audience going a bit more.

Maybe the bookers ask people to come on but they refuse as they see Comic Relief as cooler? But it wouldn't hurt to try and mix up the type of entertainment on the show a little bit more.
IS
Inspector Sands


That's quite a good insight into what early Children in Need was like - most of the action took place round a seating area with guests coming and going. It was more of a chat show and the set was fairly functional - with a map and a telephone area.

Compare that with now where it's all about entertainment and I don't think that Terry sat down once
IS
Inspector Sands
thegeek posted:
Did they go back to BT Tower after the very start of the show? (It is, presumably, an easy place to do an OB from...)


There were also telephonists in the London studio (like Swap Shop/Saturday Superstore had at the time) and around the country. IIRC the BT tower quite a bit, possibly as the the locations for the South East region's set up. These were the days before local rate 0345 phone numbers so there were lots of numbers ensuring hat everyone had a local one to call.... in the South East we used to have numbers given out for Dutch viewers!

One year they had a bizarre setup of a river around the stage area, this had a boat which the presenters used to sail through to the call centre in studio 2. A very odd gimmick and although the set was reused the next couple of years but without the boat
CY
cylon6
Inspector Sands posted:


That's quite a good insight into what early Children in Need was like - most of the action took place round a seating area with guests coming and going. It was more of a chat show and the set was fairly functional - with a map and a telephone area.

Compare that with now where it's all about entertainment and I don't think that Terry sat down once


I think in the early days too that it wasn't on for the whole night. I remember one year that they took a break to show Knots Landing and another time more famously to show The Five Doctors.
CY
cylon6
Inspector Sands posted:
thegeek posted:
Did they go back to BT Tower after the very start of the show? (It is, presumably, an easy place to do an OB from...)


They used the BT tower quite a bit IIRC but there were also telephonists in the London studio (like Swap Shop/Saturday Superstore had at the time) and around the country. These were the days before local rate 0345 phone numbers so there were lots of numbers ensuring hat everyone had a local one to call.... in the South East we used to have numbers given out for Dutch viewers!

One year they had a bizarre setup of a river around the stage area, this had a boat which the presenters used to sail through to the call centre in studio 2. A very odd gimmick and although the set was reused the next couple of years but without the boat


I remember that vividly and mentioned it a few pages back, it was odd but at the same time quirkily brilliant. I didn't realise that it was studio 2 they went to, I always assumed it was studio 1 because it seemed so large.
DV
DVB Cornwall
I thought it was superb....

The comedy argument might be valid but are there any comedians suitable for the audience nowadays. It might drive people to switch off dependent on choice.

The high point for me was Hairspray.
CY
cylon6
You might like to know that Children In Need had a peak audience of 12 million just before 9pm and averaged over 9 million between 7pm & 10pm and averaged 7 million between 10.40pm & midnight.
BS
Ben Shatliff
In view of the fact that the Regional content seems to have been dire once again, do we think they should either dramatically review the outtakes and put them to a high standard again or, should they scrap the regional content all together?

What annoyed me, here in the north west, was the lack of listening to what the audiences said, cutting them off and not giving a total at the end of each segment.

I preferred the late eighties when Stuart Hall, John Mundy and Phil Sayer were at the helm. They cared and always did a good job. Stuart with his famour Yellow Brick Road as the Oxford Road studios.
MD
mdtauk
I am quite pleased with myself, I watched no more than 5secs of CIN this year!
ZS
ZiggyShadowDust
martinDTanderson posted:
I am quite pleased with myself, I watched no more than 5secs of CIN this year!


I can beat that. I didn't watch it at all. I was under the impression that CiN this year was gonna be heavily Strictly orientated. I would have watched the Ashes To Ashes/Top Gear, but I thought it was gonna be just Richard Hammond with Philip Glenister and an Audi Quattro.

It's not like I haven't contributed. I got myself a Pudsey Bear. Very Happy I just spent the entire night watching Frasier.
MS
Mr-Stabby
Children in Need seems to be the only time that the regional centres seem to have a proper prime time slot and a chance to do something really good. Are there any particular limits to what they can actually do? Most of them given some actual dedication could really make something good, but a lot of them just don't bother. My region didn't even bother opting out.

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