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NG
noggin Founding member
If Channel carried adverts from mainland UK, i.e. from the TVS/TSW feed, would Channel have received a percentage of the ad income? I'm meaning if there were five adverts in a break, Channel shows two from the islands, one for the co-op, one for a car dealership, I know Channel would get paid for them. But if the other three came from the TVS/TSW feed, such as for Levis, Renault cars, and Coca cola, would Channel have received any income for those?


I think Channel did get some revenue for the TSW/TVS commercials they showed.

I didn't think they replaced individual adverts in a TVS/TSW break though (i.e. I think the breaks were either 'all Channel' or 'all TVS/TSW'?)
DE
deejay
V-Fade and U-Fade are the usual terms these days but the BBC always used to call it a “Down and Up” (Originally when going between two slides in a junction, when they were physical slides in a scanner, this required a “Down, Change and Up” which was essentially a U-Fade)
MA
Markymark
If Channel carried adverts from mainland UK, i.e. from the TVS/TSW feed, would Channel have received a percentage of the ad income? I'm meaning if there were five adverts in a break, Channel shows two from the islands, one for the co-op, one for a car dealership, I know Channel would get paid for them. But if the other three came from the TVS/TSW feed, such as for Levis, Renault cars, and Coca cola, would Channel have received any income for those?


Well yes, that was the whole reason they rebroadcast the ads, and the main source of their revenue
SW
Steve Williams
I didn't think they replaced individual adverts in a TVS/TSW break though (i.e. I think the breaks were either 'all Channel' or 'all TVS/TSW'?)


I'm not sure that's the case as there's that clip of a Channel ad break on YouTube where they go from the One Hundred Yards From This Cinema cardboard adverts to a British Rail one - and as mentioned before, there are no trains on the Channel Islands.
WH
Whataday Founding member
Is there a possibility British Rail might have wanted their brand promoted on the Islands even without immediate train services available?
MA
Markymark
I didn't think they replaced individual adverts in a TVS/TSW break though (i.e. I think the breaks were either 'all Channel' or 'all TVS/TSW'?)


I'm not sure that's the case as there's that clip of a Channel ad break on YouTube where they go from the One Hundred Yards From This Cinema cardboard adverts to a British Rail one -


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TT
ttt
V-Fade and U-Fade are the usual terms these days but the BBC always used to call it a “Down and Up” (Originally when going between two slides in a junction, when they were physical slides in a scanner, this required a “Down, Change and Up” which was essentially a U-Fade)


Sorry to go off-topic but when would a V-fade become a U-fade?

An electronically-generated down-and-up would of course always be a V-fade since generally there are only 0 or 1 frames of actual black.

Older manual ones would technically always be U-fades -- with an underscanning TV you could see this in action on some channels where you'd sometimes see that a small portion of the left-hand edge of the A source being faded out would remain at full intensity then that sliver of image would cut to the B source, which would then be faded up.

Or are you saying that a U fade would be where the actual slides would be shifted to the next one whilst the screen was black? Wasn't it the case that they'd have two scanners and cut between them?

I guess the NODD system would need a U fade if changing between the clock and globe for example on the BBC.
JA
james-2001
ttt posted:
I guess the NODD system would need a U fade if changing between the clock and globe for example on the BBC.


Wasn't it accepted that "NODD" was never actually used by the BBC, but somehow appeared on the internet years later with a fake backronym? I seem to remember the origin of "NODD" was traced to either here, TV Ark or the MHP chat list, I can't remember which, I remember reading a discussion on it somewhere around the mid-00s.
TT
ttt
ttt posted:
I guess the NODD system would need a U fade if changing between the clock and globe for example on the BBC.


Wasn't it accepted that "NODD" was never actually used by the BBC, but somehow appeared on the internet years later with a fake backronym?


Possibly. My post may have been longer had I had to describe it, rather than use a phrase commonly understood by anoraks...
SC
Si-Co
Is there a possibility British Rail might have wanted their brand promoted on the Islands even without immediate train services available?


Quite possibly, targeting CI viewers who visited the UK mainland for business or leisure.

I believe Westward used to separate each ad with a break-flash, and previous posters have commented that this was often only present on the first half of a commercial break on CTV, before they cut to their own ads at the end of a break. A commercial break on CTV may have been all TSW/TVS (et al) content, all CTV content, or a combination of both. I’m not sure if the time of day had any bearing on how many local ads were shown - I can imagine large companies whose products/services were available or relevant across both the markets, would be advertising during a prime time break - though it’s also likely that CI-specific ads would be scheduled in prime time too to catch the most viewers.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
ttt posted:
ttt posted:
I guess the NODD system would need a U fade if changing between the clock and globe for example on the BBC.


Wasn't it accepted that "NODD" was never actually used by the BBC, but somehow appeared on the internet years later with a fake backronym?


Possibly. My post may have been longer had I had to describe it, rather than use a phrase commonly understood by anoraks...


"Noddy" is the term everybody understands Smile
SC
Si-Co
ttt posted:

Wasn't it accepted that "NODD" was never actually used by the BBC, but somehow appeared on the internet years later with a fake backronym?


Possibly. My post may have been longer had I had to describe it, rather than use a phrase commonly understood by anoraks...


"Noddy" is the term everybody understands Smile


Wasn’t there a “Big Ears” too, another piece of kit? If that’s the case, I assume NODD/Noddy was an “official” nickname.

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