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Riaz
I think we can be fairly confident that in 1979 there was no high quality bi-directional video link from their Jersey studios to the UK.


That's true. However, the question I ask is had such a video link existed at the time then could history have been any different?

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With that in mind, there is no way that Channel could provide a service to the UK, without doing work that they couldn't afford to fund


If the networked programmes were just CTV news, local programmes, and pre-recorded stuff then what and where are the additional costs?

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No unionised firm would have supported a strike breaking service being set up.


This gets back to the question of how much power and influence the UK trade unions actually had in the Channel Islands at the time?

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The GPO would not have assisted, and without them it couldn't be done.


Could you elaborate on this one? I know that the GPO owned the physical connections of the ITV network, but TV programmes were being networked across the country all the time so what difference would it make if they originated from CTV rather than Granada?
SP
Steve in Pudsey
ttt please take a step back for a moment before continuing this argument.

Those of us who value the contributions from people who have inside understanding of the TV industry would appreciate it if passive aggressive, misinformed nitpicking over semantics didn't cause somebody to choose not to continue sharing their insights here.
TT
ttt
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commseng
Riaz posted:
I think we can be fairly confident that in 1979 there was no high quality bi-directional video link from their Jersey studios to the UK.


That's true. However, the question I ask is had such a video link existed at the time then could history have been any different?

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With that in mind, there is no way that Channel could provide a service to the UK, without doing work that they couldn't afford to fund


If the networked programmes were just CTV news, local programmes, and pre-recorded stuff then what and where are the additional costs?

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No unionised firm would have supported a strike breaking service being set up.


This gets back to the question of how much power and influence the UK trade unions actually had in the Channel Islands at the time?

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The GPO would not have assisted, and without them it couldn't be done.


Could you elaborate on this one? I know that the GPO owned the physical connections of the ITV network, but TV programmes were being networked across the country all the time so what difference would it make if they originated from CTV rather than Granada?

If a terrestrial video circuit had existed from Jersey to the UK then things may not have been that different anyway.

Costs for providing a feed of programme material to the UK population rather than to the Channel Islands residents would surely have an huge increase in royalty payments. Where would that cost be recouped by Channel? They weren't selling advertising to anywhere other than their own area.

The unions in the Channel Islands are irrelevant to setting up a feed to the whole UK - as the system was looked after by staff on the mainland. Nobody would want to get involved in doing something that could cause their own industrial relations problems.
The GPO would not normally route a network feed directly from Jersey (via the mythical video link) to all the IBA transmitters.
That would therefore require actions that were deliberately seen to be strike breaking actions, and would not be allowed. The unions at the GPO would not do it, as they would be well aware of the ITV strike action.

The management at the GPO would not want to cause an issue that lead to strike action affecting their own operations.
Bear in mind that the TV / radio side of the GPO was very small beer compared to the telephony and postal side of their work.
They would not want to cause industrial action that cost them on that. Bear in mind the IBA and ITV companies would still have been paying for the video and audio circuits that they rented from the GPO throughout the strike anyway, so what financial reason would the GPO management have to do this?

I didn't start work until 1985, so things were slightly different from 1979, but not completely different so I can see what could or would have happened.
40 years ago is so very very different in staff relations and union power now, and it is difficult to even start to explain what the knock ons would have been. Channel were fortunate to have management, staff and unions who understood that this small outpost of ITV would have failed financially if it had been taken off air for a long period, Therefore it was a special case. Nobody was going to undermine that by doing something such as networking, which would have breached that trust.
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commseng
Riaz posted:
Since the Channel Islands are not a part of the UK, do they still fall under the auspices of British unions?


This question needs to be properly answered in order to properly understand the situation surrounding the ITV strike.


I can point you to the BECTU website (which after mergers is what the ACTT, NATTKE and the ABS became) and this page.
https://www.bectu.org.uk/advice-resources/get-help

You'll note this line under the heading Who is Covered -
"The rights outlined apply to members in England, Wales and Scotland (Great Britain). Members in Northern Ireland have, broadly speaking, the same rights as those in Great Britain, but there are some important differences addressed below. BECTU members should consult their BECTU rep or official for advice/support. There are differences for the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands. Most statutory rights apply to Crown Servants, though there are some exceptions eg. they are excluded from the statutory scheme as they have their own redundancy scheme. BECTU members with queries should seek advice from their local rep or full time official."

So in 2019 BECTU has members in the Channel Islands, but there are local differences in legislation from the mainland.
In 1979 I would have thought it would be broadly similar.
They are trade unions bringing together people who have similar trades - and it can cover different legal systems.
RI
Riaz
Costs for providing a feed of programme material to the UK population rather than to the Channel Islands residents would surely have an huge increase in royalty payments. Where would that cost be recouped by Channel? They weren't selling advertising to anywhere other than their own area.


You make a fair point concerning the royality payments. I am aware, from working in production, that copyright holders of TV programmes and films are known to offer 'discounts' for smaller broadcasters.

Does anybody have any 'inside' knowledge about the royalities CTV paid for broadcasting pre-recorded material before and during the ITV strike? Did they have large discounts that reflected their small number of viewers that would not have applied had they decided to network a the programme nationally?

We can assume a worst case scenario that CTV won't receive any advertising revenue from the UK, apart from companies that already advertise on CTV, if it decided to network programmes to the UK. Therefore could the royalties vs advertising revenue situation actually be a more prohibitive force against CTV networking programmes to the UK than the howls of protest and threats from the unions are?

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The GPO would not normally route a network feed directly from Jersey (via the mythical video link) to all the IBA transmitters.


Assume, for the purpose of this discussion, that the video link was already in place before the ITV strike started and CTV networked a programme or two every year and also used it to supply some footage to ITN.
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commseng
Any network feed whether from ATV or Granada or whoever would be passed to the MCR of the local station from the GPO network.
It would have then been routed to the Transmission Control and put to air via that way, back through MCR and to the local GPO switching centre on to the lines that fed the local IBA transmitters.
Obviously all the local ITV stations MCRs were not operational during the strike.

To take an incoming feed from Jersey into say Southampton, then up the GPO lines to all the local GPO switching centres and putting that directly to the IBA transmitters would not be a normal thing to do.
Therefore it would not happen without being an obvious strike breaking attempt, and would cause the issues I've already mentioned.

It has happened in the past where the GPO / BT has patched out the local studio centres, but that is usually during a period of emergency. Such as a fire at STV's studio centre when I think Grampian was put out in the Central Belt, and in the BBC I know of a major power failure at the Pebble Mill Comms Centre where they asked the Birmingham BT exchange to put BBC1 and 2 from London directly to the Sutton Coldfield transmitter and up the lines to Manchester to put the services back on air.
That is a completely different situation to the strike though.
BL
bluecortina
I think we can be fairly confident that in 1979 there was no high quality bi-directional video link from their Jersey studios to the UK.
There was not one from the UK to Jersey, which is why they had to rely on off air reception from either Westward (or Southern) for their network programming.
There are many articles about the SABRE array which the IBA installed on Alderney to do this when UHF colour started.

With that in mind, there is no way that Channel could provide a service to the UK, without doing work that they couldn't afford to fund, and would have had a risk of any goodwill they had disappearing.
No unionised firm would have supported a strike breaking service being set up.
The GPO would not have assisted, and without them it couldn't be done.
It is a non starter, and any idea that the overstretched Channel TV could have set up an operation on the mainland, whilst struggling to fill their own airtime is cloud cuckoo land stuff.


There was no reverse circuitry from Channel to mainland UK. If Channel wanted to play out a programme to ITV they had to send the tape over to another ITV company. How do I know this? Because I played out one such tape from a VTR machine in London. How they got it onto a quad tape I’ll never know, perhaps they got RCA down the road to transfer it.
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bluecortina
ttt posted:
ttt posted:
It's interesting to know, then, that the BBC's coverage of Wimbledon, or Coronation Street, is "cheap as chips", using your argument.

There's a total disconnect in your argument between the costs of individual programmes and their actual cost of production taking into account the wider costs to the company making it.

As to the monthly political programme, being a token effort by ITV plc is not the same as being a token effort on the part of those involved in actually making the thing.

That said, the threadbare nature of the production is there for all to see. It has absolutely nowhere near the journalistic quality that TT's "Point of Order" weekly effort had in 1990.



You've never heard of 'total costing'? During the period you're referring to it was in widespread use in ITV.

I'm surprised you regard Wimbledon and Coronation Street as local productions. I would regard them as major tv productions (or event in Wimbledon's case) with large costs involved.


And yet you do not see that a series of football live OBs, or a regional drama series, from a company that does not generally engage in such productions for the network (as the smaller ones didn't), would not be major TV productions as far as they were concerned?

You're being deliberately obtuse. It's you who was trying to take the costs of individual programmes (which in and of themselves may be cheap), and extrapolating that out to say that regional programming as a whole is/was cheap -- not me.


Ok.
BL
bluecortina
I think we can be fairly confident that in 1979 there was no high quality bi-directional video link from their Jersey studios to the UK.
There was not one from the UK to Jersey, which is why they had to rely on off air reception from either Westward (or Southern) for their network programming.
There are many articles about the SABRE array which the IBA installed on Alderney to do this when UHF colour started.

With that in mind, there is no way that Channel could provide a service to the UK, without doing work that they couldn't afford to fund, and would have had a risk of any goodwill they had disappearing.
No unionised firm would have supported a strike breaking service being set up.
The GPO would not have assisted, and without them it couldn't be done.
It is a non starter, and any idea that the overstretched Channel TV could have set up an operation on the mainland, whilst struggling to fill their own airtime is cloud cuckoo land stuff.


A common sense post.
BL
bluecortina
ttt posted:
ttt please take a step back for a moment before continuing this argument.

Those of us who value the contributions from people who have inside understanding of the TV industry would appreciate it if passive aggressive, misinformed nitpicking over semantics didn't cause somebody to choose not to continue sharing their insights here.


It's not me who is nitpicking. Read what bluecortina said.

Although I am more than happy to leave, if that is what is required.


No, don’t leave as your contributions are informative. But perhaps be prepared to accept that some of us worked knee deep in ITV for many decades and with that comes knowledge and understanding that viewers don’t have. We have absolutely not fallen out over this, keep posting.
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commseng
Riaz posted:
We can assume a worst case scenario that CTV won't receive any advertising revenue from the UK, apart from companies that already advertise on CTV, if it decided to network programmes to the UK. Therefore could the royalties vs advertising revenue situation actually be a more prohibitive force against CTV networking programmes to the UK than the howls of protest and threats from the unions are?

Can I just ask why you think it would have been the Channel TV management's decision to make as to network to the whole UK?
Their mandate was to supply a programme service to the IBA to cover the Channel Islands, nothing more than that.
According to my 1981 IBA handbook, Channel had a staff totalling 66 people (and probably one puffin).
That's not a lot of staff effort available to utilise!

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