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(December 2008)

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DP
david price
Alexia posted:
Chie posted:
Yeah, I like hearing the view of a man who kills converts to Christianity, women for committing adultery, gay men for being gay and wants to wipe an entire country of the face of the Earth too. I really can't get enough of it Rolling Eyes.


Don't forget, on the whole the USA is a country that subscribes unquestioningly to the Christian way of thinking, treats single parents and gay people as second class citizens, and wants to colonize every country that has oil reserves. We've all had enough of that.


What planet are you from? Mind you, your mind is so narrow, I doubt you even know what a planet is!
DP
david price
Brekkie posted:
The full text can be read here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/25/ahmadinejad-christmas-message

Far more thought provoking than anything the Queen has to say, and it raises some interesting points.

My opinion on Iran is basically live and let live - it's not down to us (or more accurately, America) to determine how every country in the world exists, and I'm sure any nuclear programme Iran has is more about defending it from a possible US invasion than going on the attack. And if it stops America invading, I'm all for it.



See you in hell, baby.

[[ Mod note: Warning issued, please refrain from personal attacks. For discussing President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Iran in general I suggest starting a topic on Metropol. ]]
IS
Inspector Sands
Brekkie posted:
The full text can be read here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/25/ahmadinejad-christmas-message

Far more thought provoking than anything the Queen has to say, and it raises some interesting points.


He mentions Jesus more than the Queen did too
CH
Chie
I think it would have been a far better idea to have an average Iranian citizen giving their opinion of what it's actually like to live in Iran. Ahmadinejad is elected by the people to serve them - so they're the only ones who can judge him as their president. Anything that comes out of his own mouth is irrelevant, as most of it is only propaganda anyway.

No president is going to sit there going 'I'm a terrible man, I can't run the country, everyone hates me' are they? It's like parenting. A mother or father can tell you they're the most brilliant parent in the world, but in reality, only the child can be the judge of that.

This would have been feasible. Being an international statesman or monarch isn't a prerequisite for giving the alternative speech, as previous ones have been given by celebrities and normal people too.

Frankly I'm inclined to think that rather than giving the situation any serious consideration, the liberal 'anything for a quiet life' brigade are praising Ahmadinejad's speech merely for the sake of annoying the tabloid press.

Greg posted:
Why not him? Don't you want to hear an alternative point of view? Stop being so narrow minded. There are two sides to every story.


By that token, would you recommend that everyone start reading the Daily Mail so they can get an alternative view to what the BBC and the Guardian have to say?
BR
Brekkie
Chie posted:
I think it would have been a far better idea to have an average Iranian citizen giving their opinion of what it's actually like to live in Iran. Ahmadinejad is elected by the people to serve them - so they're the only ones who can judge him as their president. Anything that comes out of his own mouth is irrelevant, as most of it is only propaganda anyway.


But that wouldn't be very controversial would it!

And to be fair, C4 do it week in week out when discussing the issue of Iran in the news, rather than just relying on the Western view as most sectors of the media do.
DP
david price
david price posted:
Brekkie posted:
The full text can be read here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/25/ahmadinejad-christmas-message

Far more thought provoking than anything the Queen has to say, and it raises some interesting points.

My opinion on Iran is basically live and let live - it's not down to us (or more accurately, America) to determine how every country in the world exists, and I'm sure any nuclear programme Iran has is more about defending it from a possible US invasion than going on the attack. And if it stops America invading, I'm all for it.



See you in hell, baby.

[[ Mod note: Warning issued, please refrain from personal attacks. For discussing President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Iran in general I suggest starting a topic on Metropol. ]]


I apologise.
MI
Michael
david price posted:
Alexia posted:
Chie posted:
Yeah, I like hearing the view of a man who kills converts to Christianity, women for committing adultery, gay men for being gay and wants to wipe an entire country of the face of the Earth too. I really can't get enough of it Rolling Eyes.


Don't forget, on the whole the USA is a country that subscribes unquestioningly to the Christian way of thinking, treats single parents and gay people as second class citizens, and wants to colonize every country that has oil reserves. We've all had enough of that.


What planet are you from? Mind you, your mind is so narrow, I doubt you even know what a planet is!


A planet? Yup - that's a big ball of rock that orbits the Sun, and was created several billion years ago. Yet some (including the leaders of both USA and Iran) believe it's 4000 years old.

My mind narrow? Yup - by refusing to subscribe to a rigid set of beliefs and instead rejecting all the limiting concepts inherent in religion and extremism, I'm as narrow as they come.

Now apologise to me too, or I'll find you and burn you with Richard Dawkins' "God Delusion".

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