DP
Why don't you tune in to Al Jazeera! You will get plenty of Eastern points of view there!
Jugalug posted:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/dec/24/iranian-president-channel-4-alternative-christmas-message
Has this been mentioned? Sounds like an excellent idea to me, I'd like to hear a more Eastern point of view.
Has this been mentioned? Sounds like an excellent idea to me, I'd like to hear a more Eastern point of view.
Why don't you tune in to Al Jazeera! You will get plenty of Eastern points of view there!
BR
Mmmm... didn't it turn out after they'd been released that they had actually strayed into Iranian waters!
All these MPs kicking up a fuss is exactly why C4 should be showing things like this - let's here his views, not George Bush's views of him. Yes, there's alot of things that happen in Iran that I don't agree with, but the same can be said of America and even Britain itself. And quite frankly half the people moaning about it would love to be able to go and stone a hoodie on a Sunday afternoon.
SatGold posted:
Why him this is a joke to us. Remember iran said our navy people supposedly went in to irania waters and took them hostage but in good will weeks later released them making a joke of britain.remember faye tunney?
see clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8knpDN4t88
see clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8knpDN4t88
Mmmm... didn't it turn out after they'd been released that they had actually strayed into Iranian waters!
All these MPs kicking up a fuss is exactly why C4 should be showing things like this - let's here his views, not George Bush's views of him. Yes, there's alot of things that happen in Iran that I don't agree with, but the same can be said of America and even Britain itself. And quite frankly half the people moaning about it would love to be able to go and stone a hoodie on a Sunday afternoon.
IS
Yeah, I like hearing the view of a man who kills converts to Christianity, women for committing adultery, gay men for being gay and wants to wipe an entire country of the face of the Earth too. I really can't get enough of it
He's an angry, tyrannical despot and Channel 4 have cast a very dark shadow over everything that's good about Christmas by broadcasting this 'alternative speech' today.
I think you've overlooked the word 'Alternative'.. you can't get much more alternative. If you don't like it, don't watch it.
Chie posted:
Yeah, I like hearing the view of a man who kills converts to Christianity, women for committing adultery, gay men for being gay and wants to wipe an entire country of the face of the Earth too. I really can't get enough of it
He's an angry, tyrannical despot and Channel 4 have cast a very dark shadow over everything that's good about Christmas by broadcasting this 'alternative speech' today.
I think you've overlooked the word 'Alternative'.. you can't get much more alternative. If you don't like it, don't watch it.
IS
If we never hear what he has to say then we don't know what his views are though, you can't just shut out every view that is extreme - we need to hear what others think.
I didn't see it, but read a bit of the transcript and it didn't seem to be that extreme
DJGM posted:
An anti-semitic, homophobic terrorist, who denies the Holocaust happened, and wants to nuke Israel!
Yep ... nice choice Channel 4 ... !
Yep ... nice choice Channel 4 ... !
If we never hear what he has to say then we don't know what his views are though, you can't just shut out every view that is extreme - we need to hear what others think.
I didn't see it, but read a bit of the transcript and it didn't seem to be that extreme
:-(
A former member
you can see it hear:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wImsDbuDQAI
WELL DONE CH4, this could actully make up for all its short falls this year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wImsDbuDQAI
WELL DONE CH4, this could actully make up for all its short falls this year
JO
Yeah, I like hearing the view of a man who kills converts to Christianity, women for committing adultery, gay men for being gay and wants to wipe an entire country of the face of the Earth too. I really can't get enough of it
He's an angry, tyrannical despot and Channel 4 have cast a very dark shadow over everything that's good about Christmas by broadcasting this 'alternative speech' today.
I think you've overlooked the word 'Alternative'.. you can't get much more alternative. If you don't like it, don't watch it.
Exactly, you don't have to agree with the f*ckwits views but it's still an alternative speech.
Surely seeing as Channel 4is a Public Service Broadcaster I don't see why people are so up in arms about it, it's not like anyone forced people to watch it.
Inspector Sands posted:
Chie posted:
Yeah, I like hearing the view of a man who kills converts to Christianity, women for committing adultery, gay men for being gay and wants to wipe an entire country of the face of the Earth too. I really can't get enough of it
He's an angry, tyrannical despot and Channel 4 have cast a very dark shadow over everything that's good about Christmas by broadcasting this 'alternative speech' today.
I think you've overlooked the word 'Alternative'.. you can't get much more alternative. If you don't like it, don't watch it.
Exactly, you don't have to agree with the f*ckwits views but it's still an alternative speech.
Surely seeing as Channel 4is a Public Service Broadcaster I don't see why people are so up in arms about it, it's not like anyone forced people to watch it.
MI
Don't forget, on the whole the USA is a country that subscribes unquestioningly to the Christian way of thinking, treats single parents and gay people as second class citizens, and wants to colonize every country that has oil reserves. We've all had enough of that.
Chie posted:
Yeah, I like hearing the view of a man who kills converts to Christianity, women for committing adultery, gay men for being gay and wants to wipe an entire country of the face of the Earth too. I really can't get enough of it .
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Don't forget, on the whole the USA is a country that subscribes unquestioningly to the Christian way of thinking, treats single parents and gay people as second class citizens, and wants to colonize every country that has oil reserves. We've all had enough of that.
JR
Don't forget, on the whole the USA is a country that subscribes unquestioningly to the Christian way of thinking, treats single parents and gay people as second class citizens, and wants to colonize every country that has oil reserves. We've all had enough of that.
Yes, but at least you have the First Amendment in the USA. Mostly.
Either way, even though Ahmedinejad is a demented ****, it was very interesting and quite a thought-provoking move from Channel 4 to choose him to deliver the alternate Christmas message, and I think it was a brave - and a good - one. Remember that the BNP is given unregulated airtime in Party Political Broadcasts (yes, I know it's required by law, but the point is clear - everyone should have a chance to air their views, no matter how despicable they are.)
Alexia posted:
Chie posted:
Yeah, I like hearing the view of a man who kills converts to Christianity, women for committing adultery, gay men for being gay and wants to wipe an entire country of the face of the Earth too. I really can't get enough of it .
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Don't forget, on the whole the USA is a country that subscribes unquestioningly to the Christian way of thinking, treats single parents and gay people as second class citizens, and wants to colonize every country that has oil reserves. We've all had enough of that.
Yes, but at least you have the First Amendment in the USA. Mostly.
Either way, even though Ahmedinejad is a demented ****, it was very interesting and quite a thought-provoking move from Channel 4 to choose him to deliver the alternate Christmas message, and I think it was a brave - and a good - one. Remember that the BNP is given unregulated airtime in Party Political Broadcasts (yes, I know it's required by law, but the point is clear - everyone should have a chance to air their views, no matter how despicable they are.)
MA
Yeah, I like hearing the view of a man who kills converts to Christianity, women for committing adultery, gay men for being gay and wants to wipe an entire country of the face of the Earth too. I really can't get enough of it
He's an angry, tyrannical despot and Channel 4 have cast a very dark shadow over everything that's good about Christmas by broadcasting this 'alternative speech' today.
If this is indeed true, then all that I thought about Channel 4 is gone.
Although, I guess it is good to hear his views, and not peoples opinions on his views. So, in a way, it exactly follows (at least) one of my feelings about Channel 4, the "thought-provoking" aspect of the channel.
So, on one hand it goes against everything I feel about Channel 4, yet is exactly what Channel 4 should be showing, whilst I'm also disagreeing with all said in the speech.
I'm so torn!
DJGM posted:
An anti-semitic, homophobic terrorist, who denies the Holocaust happened, and wants to nuke Israel!
Chie posted:
Jugalug posted:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/dec/24/iranian-president-channel-4-alternative-christmas-message
Has this been mentioned? Sounds like an excellent idea to me, I'd like to hear a more Eastern point of view.
Has this been mentioned? Sounds like an excellent idea to me, I'd like to hear a more Eastern point of view.
Yeah, I like hearing the view of a man who kills converts to Christianity, women for committing adultery, gay men for being gay and wants to wipe an entire country of the face of the Earth too. I really can't get enough of it
He's an angry, tyrannical despot and Channel 4 have cast a very dark shadow over everything that's good about Christmas by broadcasting this 'alternative speech' today.
If this is indeed true, then all that I thought about Channel 4 is gone.
Although, I guess it is good to hear his views, and not peoples opinions on his views. So, in a way, it exactly follows (at least) one of my feelings about Channel 4, the "thought-provoking" aspect of the channel.
So, on one hand it goes against everything I feel about Channel 4, yet is exactly what Channel 4 should be showing, whilst I'm also disagreeing with all said in the speech.
I'm so torn!
BE
The irony of that statement is that Channel 4 once refused to broadcast a party political broadcast by the National Front. (I think that's right
).
As for the topic in hand, I think they were right to do this. If it had been to stir things up and generate publicity then that simply would have been wrong - but I actually think for once Channel 4 considered what could be an alternative to the Queens speech.
I think it is important to be able to hear everybody's point of view, or to at least have a choice to listen. It makes a bold statement about free speech.
Ben
Founding member
jrothwell97 posted:
Remember that the BNP is given unregulated airtime in Party Political Broadcasts (yes, I know it's required by law, but the point is clear - everyone should have a chance to air their views, no matter how despicable they are.)
The irony of that statement is that Channel 4 once refused to broadcast a party political broadcast by the National Front. (I think that's right
).
As for the topic in hand, I think they were right to do this. If it had been to stir things up and generate publicity then that simply would have been wrong - but I actually think for once Channel 4 considered what could be an alternative to the Queens speech.
I think it is important to be able to hear everybody's point of view, or to at least have a choice to listen. It makes a bold statement about free speech.
BR
The full text can be read here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/25/ahmadinejad-christmas-message
Far more thought provoking than anything the Queen has to say, and it raises some interesting points.
My opinion on Iran is basically live and let live - it's not down to us (or more accurately, America) to determine how every country in the world exists, and I'm sure any nuclear programme Iran has is more about defending it from a possible US invasion than going on the attack. And if it stops America invading, I'm all for it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/25/ahmadinejad-christmas-message
Far more thought provoking than anything the Queen has to say, and it raises some interesting points.
My opinion on Iran is basically live and let live - it's not down to us (or more accurately, America) to determine how every country in the world exists, and I'm sure any nuclear programme Iran has is more about defending it from a possible US invasion than going on the attack. And if it stops America invading, I'm all for it.